2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[868904]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Lucic's NMC means that he has to be protected in the upcoming expansion draft. His contract is "buyout proof". That should be enough for any team to pass on.

It makes more sense to buyout Neal this summer than it does to acquire Lucic for any reason unless the Oilers want to include McDavid in the package.

If it's Edmonton he's leaving, gotta think Lucic would waive that to go to Seattle though.

But if he got traded to a contender or a better situation, he might not waive it. So your point still stands.

[CanadaMatt]

Given the historical prices paid, would anybody be overly outraged if the Flames did nothing at the deadline?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

Given the historical prices paid, would anybody be overly outraged if the Flames did nothing at the deadline?

I think it’s likely we bring in a depth player, but not a name that’s going to sell jerseys. The latter will happen this summer.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

Given the historical prices paid, would anybody be overly outraged if the Flames did nothing at the deadline?

Ultimately, no.

The excitement for me is around acquiring a key piece going forward. I want the Flames to acquire and extend one of Mark Stone, Matt Duchene, or Artemi Panarin. Outside of that, I truly don't have much interest in spending ANY assets as I don't see us "fixing" our goaltending problem until the draft at the earliest (...and even then I think that's an optimistic time frame).

I think this team needs one more top-end talent to truly push for the Cup, and acquiring one of the three listed above and extending them gives us that top-end player that will be a huge contributor for years to come.

Even spending a 2nd for Zuccarello or someone in that "tier" is unappealing to me. I'd sooner keep those assets, and take a swing at Stone/Duchene IF they manage to make it to free agency, or re-enter the trade market at the draft.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

Given the historical prices paid, would anybody be overly outraged if the Flames did nothing at the deadline?

It would be an improvement over trading away a 2nd for Cutris Lazar.

Not to mention we brought in Matt Bartkowski that year. Brutal move masked by a team hot streak.

[Vinny01]

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1710559

The Score with the 5 trades they would like to see

1. Panarin to Preds
2. Duchene to Jets
3. Stone to Flames
4. Dougie to Leafs
5. Simmonds to Bruins

If the first 3 happened that would be an arms race of epic proportions for the West.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 868904

If it's Edmonton he's leaving, gotta think Lucic would waive that to go to Seattle though.

But if he got traded to a contender or a better situation, he might not waive it. So your point still stands.

Even if he waives to be put on the expansion list, Seattle has to actually choose him which they won't. Nobody is taking that contract on without huge incentive.

[GranteedEV]

Not that I don't see the fit here for Stone, but Panarin is still the guy I think fits best. Would really get James Neal going with his playmaking.

[iggyformayor]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not that I don't see the fit here for Stone, but Panarin is still the guy I think fits best. Would really get James Neal going with his playmaking.

Don't disagree, but the problem being that Panarin would be a pure rental, whereas with Stone, there's an actual chance the Flames could re-sign him.

[868904]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Even if he waives to be put on the expansion list, Seattle has to actually choose him which they won't. Nobody is taking that contract on without huge incentive.

Yeah I agree, i'm just saying that the NMC might not hamper the Oilers too much as Lucic would probably waive to go to Seattle or elsewhere.

But he might not waive if he were say traded to a decent organization, which is why no other team would trade for him.

[868904]

Originally Posted by iggyformayor

Don't disagree, but the problem being that Panarin would be a pure rental, whereas with Store, there's an actual chance the Flames could re-sign him.

Yeah Panarin won't be signing here long term. He had his chance to do that and chose not to.

Stone might sign here, but Flames would likely have to move one of if not both Brodie and Hamonic out for cap reasons and to have Michael Stone play regularly and then extend him as well, preferably at a lower cap hit. I mean, it reeks a bit of the Hamilton situation but at least you are doing it for an elite player.

It's not that big a stretch to move Brodie in the Summer. He'll be UFA after next season so it would be better to recoup some draft picks for him. Flames won't be as good on the back end replacing Michael Stone with Brodie but they'll be way better up front with Mark Stone.

The beauty of it is that you take a real good run at the Cup this year with Mark Stone and Brodie in the lineup. It would probably be the best chance during this window.

[Flash Walken]

I think it's a pretty good bet Lucic would love to get out of Edmonton but there are literally 0 takers in a pool of 30 teams.

I would say there is zero interest league wide for lucic, even with a significant pick attached.

[CanadaMatt]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think it's a pretty good bet Lucic would love to get out of Edmonton but there are literally 0 takers in a pool of 30 teams.

I would say there is zero interest league wide for lucic, even with a significant pick attached.

Out of curiousity (and not for one moment suggesting that the Flames do it)...if you were the GM of a team with cap-space...what would you need packaged with Lucic to accept the trade.

Would a first do it? Or would you need more?

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I agree with the neal point, I would like to see him in playoffs before passing judgment.
However your Tampa bay take still has me enraged. They're a beatable team, especially in the playoffs. As such it definitely makes sense to bolster up during our own teams best season in decades.

Sure - they're beatable - any team is. But the chances of anyone beating them this year is thin. Tampa is trending to be the eleventh best regular season team in the last 68 seasons.

I'm not saying the flames fold it up, but this isn't the season to go all in. In a more normal year, where the flames are a top 6 team and the field is closer, I'd say go for it. But this isn't a normal year.

Most dominant regular season NHL teams since 1950:

1 Montreal (1976-77) - 60-8-12 - Won Stanley Cup
2 Chicago (2012-13) - 34-6-5 - Won Stanley Cup
3 Montreal (1977-79) - 59-10-11 - Won Stanley Cup
4 Detroit (1995-96) - 62-13-7 - Lost to Avs in WCF
5 Montreal (1975-76) - 58-11-11 - Won Stanley Cup
6 Boston (1970-71) - 57-14-7 - Lost in round 1 (Hot Goalie - Ken Dryden)
7 Montreal (1972-73) 52-10-16 - Won Stanley Cup
8 Detroit (2005-06) - 58-16-8 - Lost in round 1 (Oilers)
9 Edmonton (1983-84) 57-18-5 - Won Stanley Cup
10 Edmonton (1985-86) 56-17-7 - Lost to Calgary
11 Tampa (2018-19) 55-16-11

Whats really interesting about this, is that of the four teams that didn't win the cup - three lost to a hated rival, suggesting that emotion was the factor pushing them over the top.

Montreal beat Boston
Avs beat Detroit
Calgary beat Edmonton

Does anyone hate tampa?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by 868904

Yeah Panarin won't be signing here long term. He had his chance to do that and chose not to.

Stone might sign here, but Flames would likely have to move one of if not both Brodie and Hamonic out for cap reasons and to have Michael Stone play regularly and then extend him as well, preferably at a lower cap hit. I mean, it reeks a bit of the Hamilton situation but at least you are doing it for an elite player.

It's not that big a stretch to move Brodie in the Summer. He'll be UFA after next season so it would be better to recoup some draft picks for him. Flames won't be as good on the back end replacing Michael Stone with Brodie but they'll be way better up front with Mark Stone.

I don’t think they have to move both Brodie and Hamonic but one almost certainly and Frolik would almost absolutely need to go but I think if they trade for Stone it will be with the intent to keep him. I also think he will want to sign here as well.

Agree that Brodie is easy to move and I believe the Flames should do it as well (what is a draft without a Flames blockbuster Dman trade anyway?). I am not convinced they will take a huge hit on the backend either mainly due to the fact 4 of our Dmen are trending in the upward direction. Sure Gio might not duplicate his elite okay but we have been saying that for years. Hamonic has really settled in and I believe Hanifin will have a monster breakout season next year.

I am fullly on board with trading the 1st for a run this year and getting that 1st back in the summer to help ease the cap crunch.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think it's a pretty good bet Lucic would love to get out of Edmonton but there are literally 0 takers in a pool of 30 teams.

I would say there is zero interest league wide for lucic, even with a significant pick attached.

I would take Lucic for 4th line LW over Eatbread. Between him, Prout, Bennett and Chuckie we would have one of the finest collections of #######s\toughness in the league for the playoffs. It all depends on how much Edmonton is retaining though however.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

...Whats really interesting about this, is that of the four teams that didn't win the cup - three lost to a hated rival, suggesting that emotion was the factor pushing them over the top.

Montreal beat Boston
Avs beat Detroit
Calgary beat Edmonton

Does anyone hate tampa?

Only one city I can think of!

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I would take Lucic for 4th line LW over Eatbread. Between him, Prout, Bennett and Chuckie we would have one of the finest collections of #######s\toughness in the league for the playoffs. It all depends on how much Edmonton is retaining though however.

I would not mind it theoretically (forget salary for a moment) but you can't because you then have to waste a protection slot in 2021...

[868904]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think they have to move both Brodie and Hamonic but one almost certainly and Frolik would almost absolutely need to go but I think if they trade for Stone it will be with the intent to keep him. I also think he will want to sign here as well.

Agree that Brodie is easy to move and I believe the Flames should do it as well (what is a draft without a Flames blockbuster Dman trade anyway?). I am not convinced they will take a huge hit on the backend either mainly due to the fact 4 of our Dmen are trending in the upward direction. Sure Gio might not duplicate his elite okay but we have been saying that for years. Hamonic has really settled in and I believe Hanifin will have a monster breakout season next year.

I am fullly on board with trading the 1st for a run this year and getting that 1st back in the summer to help ease the cap crunch.

The question is, will acquiring Mark Stone cost the Flames one of Kylington, Valimaki or Andersson? Do you still make the deal if it does?

The best deals the Flames can offer I think are:

2019 1st Round pick
2020 1st Round pick (maybe make this conditional on Stanley Cup and if no then its a 2nd Round pick)
Dube/Petterson
Frolik (for cap reasons and so the Sens can flip him for a 2nd round pick next year)

or

2019 1st Round pick
2020 2nd Round pick
Kylington/Andersson
Frolik (for cap reasons and so the Sens can flip him for a 2nd round pick next year)

I think Valimaki is the one you keep no matter what. Both Kylington and Andersson are good but have some warts.

I think if the Flames had their way, they'd go with option 1 and put Petterson in the deal and keep Dube and the defensemen for depth this year. But even if the Sens insist on Dube, the Flames should still make that deal as they do have some forward prospect depth in Mangiapane, Phillips, Gawdin etc.

Can the Jets beat those packages? The firsts are the same, so it comes down to Vesalainen and/or Niku versus Dube and/or Kylington/Andersson

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

Out of curiousity (and not for one moment suggesting that the Flames do it)...if you were the GM of a team with cap-space...what would you need packaged with Lucic to accept the trade.

Would a first do it? Or would you need more?

Depends on loads of factors like is ownership willing to spend money on a guy like that, where is my team at in the competitive cycle. From that, are there any guys up for significant contracts (10+ mil) in the coming years....

If I was the Devils I might look at taking on Lucic for say this years 1st, next year's 2nd and Poolparty.

I think Lucic may have some value in the limited situation where he is a policeman for a rebuilding roster that needs to hit the cap floor but wants to acquire picks quickly.