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dino7c · 02-14-2019, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GullFoss

Does it make sense to Target anyone? Even if you add a significant body and make it to the finals, it still feels inevitable that you'll end up losing to Tampa in 6 or less.

43 wins and 11 losses - that's basically like winning 11 seven-gamr series in 5 games each. The flames are good. But the distance between 2nd best and Tampa is significant.

so every team in the NHL should pack it in?

Wolfman · 02-14-2019, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

so every team in the NHL should pack it in?

Yep, cancel the season immediately and award the cup to the Bolts

dino7c · 02-14-2019, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stang

Lucic has 4x as many hits. Haha I’m terrible at trade proposals. I don’t want you guys to have Talbot either because I think he’s going to be good again

because he never has the puck lol

always funny when people brag about hits...its like bragging about blocked shots when you spend the entire game in your own end

dino7c · 02-14-2019, 11:52 PM

The Lightning are a great team...they are NOT having an historic season and many of the greatest regular season teams in recent memory didn't win the cup

Wolfman · 02-14-2019, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

The Lightning are a great team...they are NOT having an historic season and many of the greatest regular season teams in recent memory didn't win the cup

dino7c · 02-14-2019, 11:59 PM

And for the record the Lightning have lost 15 games not 11

Monahammer · 02-15-2019, 06:04 AM

If the flames could land a decent backup (though I thought smith played his best game in a calendar year last night) and someone like stone or duchene we would be just as good as the lightening.

This is the year we should really push. We shouldn't think of other teams much when considering this beyond our direct competition in the west, and frankly this is a great year for that. theres no guarantee that our team will gel this well next year. Go all in, at the very least to let our core players get multi round playoff experience. Dont get too fixated on future 1st round picks. Let us never forget how useless some first rounders can be. Kris chucko, greg nemisz, chuck kobasew, Brent Krahn, Leland Irving, seven baertchi, etc. Etc.

Harry Lime · 02-15-2019, 08:08 AM

Treliving and his scouts have been pretty great at the draft. If we trade a pick, I'd like to see a lower pick included in the first four rounds.

Edit : coming back.

Lanny_McDonald · 02-15-2019, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Agree with all of this, except the definition of insanity part. I believe it was Alexander Hamilton who first defined insanity this way. Pretty sure Lin Miranda wrote a song about it; humming it to myself right now.

Sorry for the derailment, but no, Alexander Hamilton never uttered any such thing, not even in his 18th century vernacular. The first attribution to something close enough to the statement to actually provide attribution was by Narcotics Anonymous back in the 80's. The are near statements that have been attributed to primarily early social scientists, but even those statements are nothing close to the common statement that Lin Miranda liberated for his musical. I will say that this just shows the power of suggestion from pop culture. People actually believe that Alexander Hamilton made this statement simply because it was referenced in a mediocre Broadway show tune. I sure future generations will believe that the founding fathers solved their differences by engaging each other in epic rap battles and soaring arias. When is that next extinction level asteroid expected to hit?

GullFoss · 02-15-2019, 08:35 AM

I feel like a lot of people overlook the fact that

1) Neal is older, so it takes his body longer to recover in the off-season

2) He's played in two grueling back-to-back SCFs. This would have also had a massive impact on his off-season recoveries.

Monahammer · 02-15-2019, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GullFoss

I feel like a lot of people overlook the fact that

1) Neal is older, so it takes his body longer to recover in the off-season

2) He's played in two grueling back-to-back SCFs. This would have also had a massive impact on his off-season recoveries.

I agree with the neal point, I would like to see him in playoffs before passing judgment.
However your Tampa bay take still has me enraged. They're a beatable team, especially in the playoffs. As such it definitely makes sense to bolster up during our own teams best season in decades.

CanadaMatt · 02-15-2019, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

People need to stop saying things like this. The Neal contract looks bad, but that Lucic deal is in a class all its own.

“People need to stop saying things I disagree with”...

Both contracts are just awful (term, cap hit). Both players production is awful. The only difference are folks subjective views on the intangibles (on ice presence, off ice presence, ability to turn it around)

dissentowner · 02-15-2019, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Funkhouser

I know you watched Parsons in London and had a first hand view at his skill set in a JR environment, but he hasn’t just had a slow start. Parsons has played 22 games in the AHL over 2 years and can’t stay healthy or get his save % over .900.

I hope he becomes Quick Jr., but much like Jankowski was supposed to be Niewendyk Jr, you may have to adjust your expectations.

If I could upgrade him for a NCAA and AHL all star who has a .924 % in the NHL and is cost controlled for a few more years, I would jump at the chance as would most smart GMs.

No thanks, I will take the Memorial Cup winning goalie and Gold medal winner who has played behind some terrible minor pro teams. If you think most smart GMs would do your deal it is very apparent why you are not one.

Textcritic · 02-15-2019, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

“People need to stop saying things I disagree with”...

Both contracts are just awful (term, cap hit). Both players production is awful. The only difference are folks subjective views on the intangibles (on ice presence, off ice presence, ability to turn it around)

Your axe to grind with James Neal is so obvious that it is impossible to take anything you say about him seriously. You’re like Beetlejuice: ready to appear from the ether any time his name is mentioned.

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dangler22 · 02-15-2019, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Your axe to grind with James Neal is so obvious that it is impossible to take anything you say about him seriously. You’re like like Beetlejuice: ready to appear from the ether any time his name is mentioned.

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Someone say beetlejuice?

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CanadaMatt · 02-15-2019, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Your axe to grind with James Neal is so obvious that it is impossible to take anything you say about him seriously. You’re like Beetlejuice: ready to appear from the ether any time his name is mentioned.

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Thanks for the personal comments

Do you disagree that the difference between the “awfulness” of the relative contracts comes down to subjective factors as I stated in my post?

The Cobra · 02-15-2019, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

Both contracts are just awful (term, cap hit). Both players production is awful. The only difference are folks subjective views on the intangibles (on ice presence, off ice presence, ability to turn it around)

Lucic has been awful a lot longer and has zero chance to be anything other than awful.

The awful ship hasn't permanently sailed yet on Neal.

Yoho · 02-15-2019, 10:42 AM

So would Beetlejuice be worse than say a Ross Geller?

sureLoss · 02-15-2019, 10:47 AM

Lucic's NMC means that he has to be protected in the upcoming expansion draft. His contract is "buyout proof". That should be enough for any team to pass on.

It makes more sense to buyout Neal this summer than it does to acquire Lucic for any reason unless the Oilers want to include McDavid in the package.

CanadaMatt · 02-15-2019, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

Lucic has been awful a lot longer and has zero chance to be anything other than awful.

The awful ship hasn't permanently sailed yet on Neal.

Fair enough. That’s your view and you’re entitled to it and may well be proven right at the end of the day.

My point is that others will have a different view (re: the ability of each player to turn it around) and shouldn’t be told to stop posting their opinion that the contracts are similar.

Anyway back to regularly scheduled programming in this thread where Posters make a trade suggestion and then watch as the next two pages are full of righteous condemnation! Can’t wait for the deadline to be over