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Old 02-21-2023, 11:38 AM   #10121
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If Putin can keep taking chunks of land from other countries, it plays well to China's goals to do the same. They have an interest in these types of thefts going uncontested.
The problem for China is they are the big dog among their allies. Russia has shown they can survive being insular and having China (and India) as a big partner. Russia isn't a big enough economy to boost up something as big as China as China. India would be the wildcard here as they would likely stay connected with China economically.

Russia is our size economy wise and China is around the US's size. If we got cut off from the rest of the world - we could adapt and survive having just the US and some smaller countries as our allies. The US would have huge issues if Canada was the only big economic ally they had.
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Fair enough.

I wouldn't necessarily associate Joe's walk cycle with things like Alzheimers or Lewy Body dementia though. Leave that for trained medical professionals to diagnose and confirm.
Change in gait to more stiff, rigid forms is one of the early warning signs of dementia. I am not insinuating anything medical, and I agree with other assessments that he seems to still have his wits about him! But that is not a confident walk of a strong, healthy man. I didn't mean to upset anyone, just remarking about what I notice in this case. I would be concerned if my father was walking like that in public.
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Old 02-21-2023, 11:47 AM   #10123
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The most logical play to me for China is to be the peace negotiator and making sure the terms work for them. I don't see how picking a fight with the EU and the US makes much sense for them unless they think Russia is on the brink of collapse.
Wang Yi announced at the Munich security conference that they have a peace plan proposal that they will be releasing later this week. What I saw of the US delegation at the conference seemed to be kind of dismissing the idea before even seeing it, but hopefully it has promise.

They definitely don't want to pick a fight with Europe, but they probably feel a fight is already going on with the US and the prospect of the US leading regime change in Russia is really the only condition that I think could potentially push China to get involved. I don't really see how regime change is even much of a possibility, but if for some reason the people leading these initiatives believe that's possible, it would be a point of extreme tension.

The US is obviously making a show of trying to put pressure on China to stay out of it. I would guess the prospect of China getting involved is more just about trying to pressure the US back for things they are doing in the Pacific, doing with chips, and doing to try to exclude China from trade with other partners. If China were to get involved, it would be bad for everyone except Russia, but probably less bad for China than having the US involved in Russian regime change and much worse for the US and Europe than not having China involved.
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Old 02-21-2023, 12:15 PM   #10124
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Putin also has a peace plan for Ukraine. Lukashenko has also asked for peace negotiations. Orban has also stated they are in the peace camp. It's totally meaningless.

There is no peace, as long as Russia remains in occupied territory (Crimea included) period.

That you actually seem to think that China could have a legitimate peace plan while also considering giving weapons to Russia, and after signing a no limits partnership with Russia shows the power of state propaganda.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...raine-conflict

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WTF, people on here speculating dementia due to the way an 80 year old is walking on cobblestones? Come on give it a rest.
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Anybody else here getting the feeling that the wheels are falling off this thing in the very near future? Looking at the headlines and seeing what is transpiring I get the distinct feeling we are all headed into a bigger conflict.

1) Reports that the airport in the Moldova capital may be taking over by Russia as a launching point for troops: https://ukranews.com/en/news/916554-...y-announced-in

2) Belarus to form an additional 100-150k troops: Possible 2nd army assisting in the goals of taking over Ukraine and more?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ce-2023-02-21/

3) US Secretary of State going onto multiple media outlets with direct warnings in very harsh language about China staying out of this war and not providing military support.

Everybody seems to be dug in and this conflict appears to be expanding. I wasn't alive during the Cuban missile crisis or during other crisis and wars like WW2 etc but it does seem that your average Joe in North America and in a lot of other countries seems to be walking around worrying about a bunch of nonsense with us having the potential for a major conflict around the corner.

We truly are living at a time in history that I don't think a lot of us are not fully grasping.
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WTF, people on here speculating dementia due to the way an 80 year old is walking on cobblestones? Come on give it a rest.
Well, to be fair there's a lot more out there that points to these mounting concerns than just his gait. I'm not a doctor, and of course it should be left to the professionals. But the truth is, if you have dealt with aging parents of the same vintage, you might have seen this kind of thing a lot closer to home.
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Anybody else here getting the feeling that the wheels are falling off this thing in the very near future? Looking at the headlines and seeing what is transpiring I get the distinct feeling we are all headed into a bigger conflict.

1) Reports that the airport in the Moldova capital may be taking over by Russia as a launching point for troops: https://ukranews.com/en/news/916554-...y-announced-in

2) Belarus to form an additional 100-150k troops: Possible 2nd army assisting in the goals of taking over Ukraine and more?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ce-2023-02-21/

3) US Secretary of State going onto multiple media outlets with direct warnings in very harsh language about China staying out of this war and not providing military support.

Everybody seems to be dug in and this conflict appears to be expanding. I wasn't alive during the Cuban missile crisis or during other crisis and wars like WW2 etc but it does seem that your average Joe in North America and in a lot of other countries seems to be walking around worrying about a bunch of nonsense with us having the potential for a major conflict around the corner.

We truly are living at a time in history that I don't think a lot of us are not fully grasping.
Yeah, I mean, of course there's that concern. Russia - a nuclear power - is involved in a war and pretty much all of the NATO countries are supporting Ukraine. I can't imagine a human on earth not grasping how this has some frightening potential. But what would you have us do? I'm just going to go about my business until something changes and I have to react. Not much else to do.
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Well, to be fair there's a lot more out there that points to these mounting concerns than just his gait. I'm not a doctor, and of course it should be left to the professionals. But the truth is, if you have dealt with aging parents of the same vintage, you might have seen this kind of thing a lot closer to home.
What kind of symptoms have you seen that would suggest Biden is suffering from dementia? It would also help if you explained why such symptoms are not characteristic from other health concerns of a man at his age and physical condition.

There is also probably a high degree of certainty that he is being monitored for psychiatric fitness (as any President would), and would probably have a route forward already identified by the White House administration on how to proceed in his role (or not).
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WTF, people on here speculating dementia due to the way an 80 year old is walking on cobblestones? Come on give it a rest.
Speculating on an 80 year old having dementia is pretty reasonable regardless of what surface they happen to be walking on. 25% of 80-89 year olds have it.

The whole US infatuation with old presidents these days is not good for world stability.

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Old 02-21-2023, 01:55 PM   #10131
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It’d be nice if we stopped speculating about possible dementia in an 80-year-old man with a speech impediment. Let’s be glad we don’t have a blithering idiot criminal who doesn’t care about anyone but himself and had the nuclear codes.
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I don't know anything about Joe Biden's gait or dementia, but I do know that he should be rocking those aviators 24/7. Every appearance, speech or meeting. Day or night, aviators.
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Old 02-21-2023, 02:26 PM   #10133
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If your concern is that just in general the president shouldn't be over 80 years old, that's fine, but... we already knew how old he was. There's nothing new that I've seen that is worth pointing at and saying, "see? This is what I was worried about."
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Yeah, I mean, of course there's that concern. Russia - a nuclear power - is involved in a war and pretty much all of the NATO countries are supporting Ukraine. I can't imagine a human on earth not grasping how this has some frightening potential. But what would you have us do? I'm just going to go about my business until something changes and I have to react. Not much else to do.
You could get on building that bomb shelter.

Hell, I'd come over for a Saturday and help you dig. Digging can be cathartic.
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You could get on building that bomb shelter.

Hell, I'd come over for a Saturday and help you dig. Digging can be cathartic.
The bomb shelter got kyboshed in favour of changing our place in Canmore. That's not to say I wouldn't be in for getting together to dig a hole.
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Why would anyone want to survive a nuclear holocaust anyway? To eke out a survival for another 5 or 6 years half starving all the time? Nuke me first.
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So I read that “suspending … participation from New START” but “not withdrawing from the treaty.” actually just means not allowing for American inspectors onsite.. which hasn't happened for a while anyway. And he "pledges" to not exceed the limits (fwiw).

But even if he does exceed the limits, both sides already have well over enough warheads to obliterate the planet, does it matter if Russia adds another 1000 warheads to its arsenal?

I guess the risk is the US feels like it needs to increase to match to appear strong, and an arms race is not the best scenario when we want things to deescalate.
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I don't know anything about Joe Biden's gait or dementia, but I do know that he should be rocking those aviators 24/7. Every appearance, speech or meeting. Day or night, aviators.
If you thought the Biden 'Weekend at Bernie's' jokes were bad before...
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