The Orc manager was busy spewing more Orc nonsense during his speech yesterday. Thankfully I didn't waste my time watching it. Instead, user u/motorblonkwakawaka did us all a favor and wasted his time to create this summary of it.
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I was paraphrasing the speech on the old thread, but since it's finished now I'll post the whole thing here again for people to read if they're interested. Not really all that interesting. Feel like 2 hours of my life was wasted, but still. Here it is.
Background
The west has a history of colonialism, dictatorship, imperialism.
Russia tried dialogue but the west continued to surround Russia with missile systems
Putin's fantastical justifications for the military operations going all the way back to 2014, to protect people against Ukrainians and the West.
Making it clear that they the west started the war, and Putin is trying to stop it.
Complaining about Ukraine
The West has paid 150b dollars to support Ukraine, but neglect the poor countries (only paying 60b, and forcing them to submit to western will)
900,000 dead and millions of refugees from wars started by the west
Just as the west rebuilt nazi Germany, they are trying to do the same in Ukraine, separating the country from ties to Russia
The Ukrainians aren't even hiding that they get their imagery and insignias from Nazi Germany, use even image of Satan himself as a weapon against Russia
Ukrainians have become hostages of their western masters, who rob and destroy their country, which is why moved in Donbas
the West uses Ukrainians as cannon fodder
Reaction
the existence of Russia is threatened by all this, targeting our young generation, lying, twisting history, information war against Russia
west is destroying family values, abusing children, pedophilia announced as a normal thing in the west (lolwtf), while Russia doesn't enter private lives of people
Anglican church considering gender neutral God
western elites leading those nations to spiritual destruction, we must protest russian children from degradation
Russia will continue social program, bring back factories and economics, create a new highway to Crimea; all regions of Russia providing direct support to these new regions, do everything to bring land back to peace and order
Minute of silence for everyone who died in the action (lasted 6 seconds)
Putin's Proposals
Russia has a duty to support everyone who has been negatively impacted by the war, need to respond to their needs quickly
Putin proposes to create a special fund for families and people who died or were affected: medical, psychological support, education, entrepreneurship, veteran support, etc., and to bypass bureacracy to make this happen
Putin admits there are certain issues getting this help to those who need it and that these must and will be resolved
Military Force for 2023-2025
There is an approved plan, this is of extreme importance
The readiness of the nuclear force is 91%, but must make this level of readiness for all areas of the military
Officers need to be trained and taught, and Russia needs to value their contribution
Continue implementing the latest technologies to improve the quality - the tech is already there, but Russia must take this to mass production by mobilising more elements of the economy; everything needs to be done for the victory
Putin proposes more protections for employees, and more securities for affordable housing, especially in cities which are important for weapons and engineering production
Back to bitching about the West
The West has not acheived success in any of these areas. They are punishing themselves by sanctions: increased prices, collapsed energy sector, businesses failing.
The West's objective is to force Russian citizens to suffer, destabilise society from within, but they are not successful.
But Russia made it through despite it all this, thanks to the hard work of everyone in Russia. No printing money - everything done by simple market tactics.
The West was forecasting total collapse, 20% GDP increase - all those predictions have failed; Russian economy stays strong, while the West continues to lose its status
Russia's Internal Plan & How to Do It
Russia has everything it needs to continue to develop its economy; talking about how much housing and agricultural increase has happened
The situation has changed for the better regarding the sustained development of Russia, despite any external threat: this isn't just a time of challenges, but also of opportunities
"A little philosophical aside" from the grandfather
Everyone remembers the chaos from the 90s. Russia made an economy based on Western market values. It's not enough to just copy the models though.
Europeans/Americans arguing about how Russia should develop. As a result, Russian economy became Western-oriented. Russian business was aimed at extracting quick profit. Money not invested into long-term projects.
Russia needed years and massive state investment to break this. In all of this, cheap money supply, and technology came from the west, and so capital flowed there. Instead of stimulating economy in Russia, the capital was spent on luxury estates and yachts in the West.
The rich elite of Russia had their children and luxury in the west. Now they see that they got robbed, assets siezed. No Russians were sorry about those rich elites who lost money, palaces, yachts in the west.
Putin appeals to these rich elite to come back and invest in Russia.
Sounds like Concluding Thoughts? (Nope, just rambling)
Russia must rely on and protect its own civilization, to be compassionate and support anyone who is in trouble. We helped Europe during Covid, now with the earthquakes in Turkey.
Regional elections and the presidential election in 2024 will be according to the law.
More fluff about investment into art, culture, and education in the new regions and in Russia.
Belarus and Donbas needs to be at the forefront of Modern Russia.
Higher Education needs to be improved and updated. Important to raise the prestige of teachers as they are very important to education.
Support for families must be increased and improved. Minimum wage, disposable income must increase. Tax reduction for children's education.
Need visible improvements for increase in healthcare, especially in remote areas.
Back to NATO
NATO is really bad, broke trust, blah blah blah
The US is reviewing the history and trying to change the way world security works, only to destroy the system of security; since collapse of USSR, the US is trying to be the centre of power in the world; the US does this only according to their own needs
NATO offering an ultimatum to Russia: "you have to comply". They want to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia. Thus, a halt on the agreement of control of strategic weapons until Russia knows what the US, France, UK plans to do.
West's nuclear weapons are expiring, they have new weapons and will test them.
Russia will not strike first, but there should be no illusions that this parity will be destroyed.
Unity has helped Russia survive so far, many volunteered at conscription centres. All are fighting for truth and the Motherland.
I am not one to generally #### on Biden, and this is a wonderful move in support of the ongoing Ukrainian effort (and probably a good morale boost!) But ####, does that man ever walk like lurch now. Seriously have to be concerned about actual dementia or similar being an issue for someone that old. Not even in the same realm as the addled mind of cheeto, but he does show signs of his age.
I've walked in that part of Kyiv many times (I believe that is St. Sophia Cathedral) and it's quite hilly in some parts around there. I dunno, for a man in his 80s walking on cobblestone streets, likely jetlagged, with a war going on in the very country he's visiting being told to walk this way and that way, he walks damn fine IMO.
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Just bizarre. If there were NATO bases in Ukraine then they would be engaging Russian forces. Unless he really expects people to believe that NATO forces are on the ground actively engaging in the war. If that was the case they would have established air superiority in the first couple of weeks and Ukraine would be free of the stench a long time ago.
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BBC fact check of Putin speech. I felt it good to put fact and fiction in the same place. I also read Putin too where Putin announced withdrawal from the New Start nuclear agreement which is really no surprise. https://www.bbc.com/news/64718139
Also fun, Trump!
“ “Putin never, ever would have gone into Ukraine if I were president. I actually had a very good relationship [with Putin],” he said to a crowd of supporters at the Hilton Palm Beach Airport hotel.” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...86532.html?amp
The Orc manager was busy spewing more Orc nonsense during his speech yesterday. Thankfully I didn't waste my time watching it. Instead, user u/motorblonkwakawaka did us all a favor and wasted his time to create this summary of it.
Thanks. Was looking for an English language summary and not a word for word translation.
What a dumb speech. But I think it tells you that he's believing his own lies and he won't be leaving Ukraine until he dies or achieves victory.
Frankly, I worry that the West will lose interest and support will dwindle if this drags on. Hopefully Ukraine delivers such a blow this spring/summer he has no choice but to pull out.
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I am not one to generally #### on Biden, and this is a wonderful move in support of the ongoing Ukrainian effort (and probably a good morale boost!) But ####, does that man ever walk like lurch now. Seriously have to be concerned about actual dementia or similar being an issue for someone that old. Not even in the same realm as the addled mind of cheeto, but he does show signs of his age.
This isn't the thread for this, but you would think that someone would pull him aside and be like "Look, I know you really wanted to be President and you did it...but it's time to move along and retire." He's obviously battling dementia. I feel for the guy and his family, because it's really terrible to see in your loved ones. I just can't imagine that people close to him are all thinking that his running in 2024 is a brilliant idea though.
I can't imagine the USA simply giving up and stopping the flow of arms, especially given Biden was literally there yesterday and the weapons and tech coming through as the year progresses. US arms industries are ready to reap in the profits from this. From an American perspective that is the dominant world super power and knows full well that China and Iran are watching closely, there can be no scenario where the US pulls an Afghanistan and simply goes home without a negative ripple effect following. Also, it took 20 years in Afghanistan to reach that point. Russia has been the chief rival to the US (yes, even over China) for decades. This is clearly the closest the US has been to giving a knockout punch to them, for pennies on the dollar. No way they back out until this thing is over.
The EU is a different story however. Very clearly some member states are already pussying out. Some countries such as Hungary aren't even hiding who's side they are on. Turkey is playing both sides and holding Finland's and Sweden's applications in Limbo (and likely will do the exact same when it's Ukraine's time to join). EU politics is significantly slower than most, under the guise of having a solution that 100% pleases everybody. Seems good on paper, but in reality it drags things along while Ukrainians literally pay in blood for the dilly dallying.
I am not at all worried about the US giving up. The EU, even though it's on the same continent, is a different story and the entity I worry about more.
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I can't imagine the USA simply giving up and stopping the flow of arms, especially given Biden was literally there yesterday and the weapons and tech coming through as the year progresses. US arms industries are ready to reap in the profits from this.
This will end up being the quickest, least expensive way to destroy Russia the US could have ever hoped for.
I am not one to generally #### on Biden, and this is a wonderful move in support of the ongoing Ukrainian effort (and probably a good morale boost!) But ####, does that man ever walk like lurch now. Seriously have to be concerned about actual dementia or similar being an issue for someone that old. Not even in the same realm as the addled mind of cheeto, but he does show signs of his age.
I just want to make sure I'm not missing something here, but are you saying his walk cycle is somehow connected to his neurological competency? Or just making a case that he's old and vulnerable in general on different health issues?
I just want to make sure I'm not missing something here, but are you saying his walk cycle is somehow connected to his neurological competency? Or just making a case that he's old and vulnerable in general on different health issues?
It's actually pretty common that people with dementia walk with a shuffling gait. Of course there could be other factors (like the surface, etc.), but it's just a wild stab in the dark here if you've seen him over the past year or two.
I wouldn't necessarily associate Joe's walk cycle with things like Alzheimers or Lewy Body dementia though. Leave that for trained medical professionals to diagnose and confirm.
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If there actually is talk of regime change going on between the Americans and other NATO members, I think that poses the highest risk for China to become more involved in supplying Russia. China wants this all resolved and a return to peace asap, but if there is any prospect of the US getting involved in Russian regime change it will be seen as a substantial security threat to China. No way China wants the US involved in deciding who governs Russia or Russian resources.
Hopefully it does not go that way, because that is a potential path to something awful.
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The dude is walking just fine for an 80 year old. And his remarks at the State of the Union were also perfectly fine. If anything I'm surprised he's in this good shape at his age.
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If there actually is talk of regime change going on between the Americans and other NATO members, I think that poses the highest risk for China to become more involved in supplying Russia. China wants this all resolved and a return to peace asap, but if there is any prospect of the US getting involved in Russian regime change it will be seen as a substantial security threat to China. No way China wants the US involved in deciding who governs Russia or Russian resources.
Hopefully it does not go that way, because that is a potential path to something awful.
Yeah China would rather have their own puppet, if they can manage it, but they would also be fine with a regime change as long as there's the new guy isn't a US puppet either. They also have an interest in preventing instability in Russia.
I don't however see why China would want to involve themselves in the war as such, it's expensive and the whole thing is bad for their business, and would do nothing but keep Putin in power, and no one wants that guy anymore, as he's clearly become more of a destabilizing factor than anything else.
China has much better ways of buying influence in Russia and the rest of the world than getting involved in what has to look like an incredibly stupid war from China's perspective.
Yeah China would rather have their own puppet, if they can manage it, but they would also be fine with a regime change as long as there's the new guy isn't a US puppet either. They also have an interest in preventing instability in Russia.
I don't however see why China would want to involve themselves in the war as such, it's expensive and the whole thing is bad for their business, and would do nothing but keep Putin in power, and no one wants that guy anymore, as he's clearly become more of a destabilizing factor than anything else.
China has much better ways of buying influence in Russia and the rest of the world than getting involved in what has to look like an incredibly stupid war from China's perspective.
The most logical play to me for China is to be the peace negotiator and making sure the terms work for them. I don't see how picking a fight with the EU and the US makes much sense for them unless they think Russia is on the brink of collapse.
If Putin can keep taking chunks of land from other countries, it plays well to China's goals to do the same. They have an interest in these types of thefts going uncontested.
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