[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Agreed, it is like Bourque + 2027 1st for retained Andersson. You aren’t getting Bischel either….

In which case, Andersson can go to Vegas, San Jose, Boston, Toronto, Carolina, and the Stars can miss their window after working so hard to land Rantanen. Boo hoo.

The Stars do not have all of the leverage here.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Wolven

In which case, Andersson can go to Vegas, San Jose, Boston, Toronto, Carolina, and the Stars can miss their window after working so hard to land Rantanen. Boo hoo.

The Stars do not have all of the leverage here.

I think we are really really overvaluing what Andersson is worth here.

[howard_the_duck]

The Stars can get a top 4 right shot D without parting with anywhere close to Johnston.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Wolven

They actually do have the depth at C... that's the point.

What they don't have is a natural RD who can put up more than 1 goal last season.

Not when they remove Johnston. They have Hintz who is 28, Duchene who is 34, and a big question mark in Bourque. If they want to trade a center for RD it won't be the 22 year old who outproduced the Hintz.

[dissentowner]

Look, I am just using Johnston as an example. We have amassed a wealth of prospects and picks, they can't all end up on the Flames. I see no path in the near future where this team is worse than the bottom feeders, they are going to be a bubble team for the foreseeable future. This is where you need to add to a valuable asset like Andersson to get that young C. If you overpay it's fine, you have put yourself in a position to do so. The only way to fill that top young C spot is to trade for it.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Look, I am just using Johnston as an example. We have amassed a wealth of prospects and picks, they can't all end up on the Flames. I see no path in the near future where this team is worse than the bottom feeders, they are going to be a bubble team for the foreseeable future. This is where you need to add to a valuable asset like Andersson to get that young C. If you overpay it's fine, you have put yourself in a position to do so. The only way to fill that top young C spot is to trade for it.

McTavish is the only one who has been rumoured that fits the bill

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

The Stars can get a top 4 right shot D without parting with anywhere close to Johnston.

Where? There are none available. Unless you count Byram being able to play both sides. He would fit but its going to cost them Robertson which actually is a bigger loss imo than Johnston given what they have on wing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

McTavish is the only one who has been rumoured that fits the bill

Please share the rumours that’s not fan speculation or the 4th periods

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

McTavish is the only one who has been rumoured that fits the bill

Great, what do they want? Besides Wolf, Parekh, and our 1st in 2026 everything else is on the table. If you have to overpay to do it get it done.

[howard_the_duck]

If there are none available then they wait it out until the deadline and sellers emerge.

Just because the Flames have the top RD on the market does not mean the going rate is a 22 year old number one center.

[Vinny01]

I could see it being Andersson+Pospisil for Bourque, Bischel, 2nd (maybe 1st?)

Flames get a young right shot center and left shot D and an extra pick.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The Flames aren’t a center away from anything. They are missing a whole 1st line. Better depth on defence.

It’s going to be a bit until we contend.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The Flames aren’t a center away from anything. They are missing a whole 1st line. Better depth on defence.

It’s going to be a bit until we contend.

Hopefully like 10 years at least right? So you can stay in your negative element?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Hopefully like 10 years at least right? So you can stay in your negative element?

What’s negative? Wasting picks and prospects on a roster constructed to do #### all or hope they stay patient draft high end talent at the top of the draft so that they have a consistent team that doesn’t require having to looking for the hardest asset to get.

Maybe you are negative because you don’t want them to have success annually?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The Flames aren’t a center away from anything. They are missing a whole 1st line. Better depth on defence.

It’s going to be a bit until we contend.

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What’s negative? Wasting picks and prospects on a roster constructed to do #### all or hope they stay patient draft high end talent at the top of the draft so that they have a consistent team that doesn’t require having to looking for the hardest asset to get.

Maybe you are negative because you don’t want them to have success annually?

You don't get it do you. They are not tanking. It isn't happening man. Let it go. They are not drafting top 3 anytime soon unless they pull a NYI and the odds of that are slim. You are not getting a top line C from landing late 1sts and B prospects.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Great, what do they want? Besides Wolf, Parekh, and our 1st in 2026 everything else is on the table. If you have to overpay to do it get it done.

What about Coronato?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

What about Coronato?

I would trade Coronato in a deal for McTavish. Love the kid but if that's what it takes as part of the deal...

[bigrangy]

The elite talent that the flames will need to be relevant again will be gained with their own picks near the top of the draft, there is no point trading top dollar for young pieces already established on other teams. That’s just a shortcut to another rebuild.

[Psytic]

The Flyers traded Ivan Provorov to the Blue Jackets, and also sent Hayden Hodgson and Kevin Connauton to the Los Angeles Kings. In return, Philadelphia received:

A 2023 1st-round pick (via LA through Columbus)
LA’s 2024 2nd-round pick
Columbus’s 2nd-round pick
Sean Walker, Cal Petersen, and Helge Grans
Later, the Flyers also received another 1st-round pick from Colorado in a separate deal by flipping Sean Walker.

That's like Andersson, Hanley and Kirkland for two firsts....granted he had two yrs left but you should be able to get a good return.

Andersson only has one year left but you have to think if you are a team going for it squeezing as much salary as you can and loading a roster....he has to be worth more than something like Miromanov and a first. That was a pretty weak return imo... if you need to get another team involved to get what you need then do it.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

In the words of Kramer. I’ll take it.

Kramer took the B prospect before the whole deal was offered.