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[Rhett44]

I find it strange that some people believe there has been some big change with new management.

We still tried to overpay an overrated Lindholm long term. We still tried to overpay an overrated Hanifin long term. We tried to re sign Tanev. Just because we got lucky and everyone said no to us, does not mean we have some new and fresh vision for the team.

I've also heard both Dreger and Seravelli saying the Flames are going to be big game hunting in free agency. That shows how out to lunch our ownership still is on how to build a contender.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And people are already complaining that it’s not fast enough and not being done correctly.

So yeah, patience. We’re going to need a bunch more than we’re showing if people want to rebuild the rebuild two years in.

I get the sense that there's a fair bit of frustration given that we're three years in and still haven't really bottomed out. A lot of people feel that the best shot at landing the high-end talent you need to be a real contender is still at the top of the draft.

It does feel like we're stuck spinning our tires, 3 years out, regardless of the roster's shift.

In a perfect world, we'd have already hit bottom, have drafted a Celebrini of our own and be trending upward by now.

I know there's only so much you can control, but I think it's fair to say the organization has been averse to bottoming out, considering we've never drafted top 3 and based on the comments they have made, this current management group included.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Show your work here though, I am interested!

The goalie comment is laughable. We all knew what we had in Marky wasn't a cup winning goalie after we watched him crumple against the oilers. Trading him was an absolute necessity.

Which forwards are you talking about? Lindholm? Toffoli? Mangiapane?

Reports are that we tried everything to sign Lindy, so that wasn't a choice.
I suppose you can have Toffoli but describing Mangiapane as a top forward is also a choice.

Dmen- Hanifin also indicated he wouldn't re-sign in Calgary, so more of a forced hand than active choice. Again, heavy rumors that we wanted to re-sign him and offered a lot. Tanev asked for a cup chance and it was given to him. Is Zadorov the other player you're talking about here? Again, LOL.

I think this is attempting to hang on to veterans and failing, mixed with some reasonable moving on of questionable assets.

Markstrom was a #1 goalie and still is.
The Flames had no idea if Wolf was ready to assume the reigns or not. They entered the season with questionable goaltending at best.

But it's clear you will skew any of this to suit your version of things.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I find it strange that some people believe there has been some big change with new management.

We still tried to overpay an overrated Lindholm long term. We still tried to overpay an overrated Hanifin long term. We tried to re sign Tanev. Just because we got lucky and everyone said no to us, does not mean we have some new and fresh vision for the team.

I've also heard both Dreger and Seravelli saying the Flames are going to be big game hunting in free agency. That shows how out to lunch our ownership still is on how to build a contender.

This is opposite of what he has said recently. That he doesn't see the Flames as a big player in free agency.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Markstrom was a #1 goalie and still is.
The Flames had no idea if Wolf was ready to assume the reigns or not. They entered the season with questionable goaltending at best.

But it's clear you will skew any of this to suit your version of things.

I do think there is some managing up that Conroy is doing.

Like you said, I feel like he probably thought he was putting out a bottom 10 team.

He's probably selling guys as he can, to avoid the intentionally tanking label, while still trying to bottom out.

We can only wait and see if it will all work out.

[dino7c]

We should get back on topic but the Flames had the most cap space in the league and added nobody at the deadline, they weren't trying to squeak in that is just dumb. They had no significant UFAs and have 4 firsts the next 2 years. Best d prospect in the league and top young goalie. Some of you just love to be miserable.

[Rhett44]

The Flames have won a total of TWO playoff series in the last 20 years. What a great success story. I am sure we should keep doing what we have always done!

Meanwhile people are making fun of the Sharks for tanking who now have a franchise player to build around. And a couple other really good young players as well. I wouldn't be surprised if they were a contender in 4 years time while we are still spinning the wheels.

It's just crazy that people don't want to tank for a chance to actually have some playoffs success down the road.

[CroFlames]

Well missing playoffs and not drafting top 5 sucks worse than missing the playoffs and drafting top 5.

I can get excited about a young team with lots of talent missing playoffs while learning how to gel and win together.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Markstrom was a #1 goalie and still is.
The Flames had no idea if Wolf was ready to assume the reigns or not. They entered the season with questionable goaltending at best.

But it's clear you will skew any of this to suit your version of things.

No, that's insane levels of risk aversion. Wolf was a top performer in every league he played in. Multiple years as the top goalie in the AHL, the second best league on earth. Everyone here knew what he was. If the Flames didn't, then they need new pro scouts.

Markstrom is a pedestrian goalie who collapses under pressure. Jonas Hiller was better.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Backlund, Coleman, Andersson- you trade any of those 3 in season and you add some losses. Trade more than 1 and I think we are drafting top 10 this year. But we kept them because it felt good.

You want to run the Flames like Midsommar. But your cliff age is 27

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

F### that.

Flames make the playoffs, Vegas falls off a cliff and their pick wins the lottery and we still draft McKenna and get the best of both worlds.

Best of all you don't spoil that winning culture that's been developing in the room over this past season.

Did you even think that answer through or are you just obsessed with the Flames bottoming out at this point?

I’m obsessed with the Flames acquiring premium, top 5 player in the league talent. The type you need to actually do something and not crash out in the first round. To do that you need to draft high, and to do THAT you need to bottom out. Which wouldn’t be fun, but theres this thing called “short term pain for long term gain”. Why is this such an anathema to everyone, we did it ten years ago and it got us most of our best talent. And if we had got MacKinnon, or been bad in 2015 instead of 2014, who knows who the last ten years would have gone. If you like finishing in 9th every year and drafting a hardworking kid from the W 18th overall then that’s your right but some of us would like to see a 3rd playoff round sometime before we die.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Show your work here though, I am interested!

The goalie comment is laughable. We all knew what we had in Marky wasn't a cup winning goalie after we watched him crumple against the oilers. Trading him was an absolute necessity.

Which forwards are you talking about? Lindholm? Toffoli? Mangiapane?

Reports are that we tried everything to sign Lindy, so that wasn't a choice.
I suppose you can have Toffoli but describing Mangiapane as a top forward is also a choice.

Dmen- Hanifin also indicated he wouldn't re-sign in Calgary, so more of a forced hand than active choice. Again, heavy rumors that we wanted to re-sign him and offered a lot. Tanev asked for a cup chance and it was given to him. Is Zadorov the other player you're talking about here? Again, LOL.

I think this is attempting to hang on to veterans and failing, mixed with some reasonable moving on of questionable assets.

I have to show my work but you rush to thank an unsourced post on season ticket sales and follow it up with an “OHEMGEE SEE???”?

Sorry man, if you’re going to skew every move to fit your narrative then it just isn’t an interesting conversation to have for me. I’m not going to reason you out of a position you didn’t use reason to get yourself into. Touch grass, take a breath, and have some patience. Your schtick is really boring.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Tkachuk must be battling extreme injuries still because I barely noticed him. The difference this series may come down to a healthy Drai vs. an injured Chucky.

Great, so a meaningless four team mid-season tournament could possibly cost Florida a cup. If it was the Flames I would be livid.

Of course I’m in the very small minority that thought the tournament was dumb and didn’t care about the outcome.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I find it strange that some people believe there has been some big change with new management.

We still tried to overpay an overrated Lindholm long term. We still tried to overpay an overrated Hanifin long term. We tried to re sign Tanev. Just because we got lucky and everyone said no to us, does not mean we have some new and fresh vision for the team.

I've also heard both Dreger and Seravelli saying the Flames are going to be big game hunting in free agency. That shows how out to lunch our ownership still is on how to build a contender.

So we are now holding management responsible for doing things they didn’t do?

These are all good players. If the mutual was there, something may have happened. There was definitely a factor of what had happened with the team which was considered. I am sure the Flames made reasonable offers, but had their limits as to how far they would go. At the end of the day, they were traded, not walked to free agency. And the returns were not too shabby

Quite honestly, competently managing the hand you are dealt, and having discipline around asset management, and decent drafting - there is a freshness there if you want to see it

[Manhattanboy]

I will give EDM coaches credit for one thing. I think sitting out the Diver Bros. for several games at the end of the regular season has made a big difference this year.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Your schtick is really boring.

Says the top Holier than though poster in game!

Honestly, much like Dino it's getting to the point where I can basically write your posts for you they're so predictable and pointless.

- Start with Mocking outrage
- add questionably sourced statistic that purports to show your argument, OR
- randomly attack without evidence previous post and malign as counter intellectual or reason
- Try to outline a metaphorical high road that you see yourself taking, leaving everyone else behind to wallow in the mud you created.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Well missing playoffs and not drafting top 5 sucks worse than missing the playoffs and drafting top 5.

I can get excited about a young team with lots of talent missing playoffs while learning how to gel and win together.

Wolf, Coronato, Zary, and Parekh is a nice little start. Let me see what the draft and camp brings this year.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Says the top Holier than though poster in game!

Honestly, much like Dino it's getting to the point where I can basically write your posts for you they're so predictable and pointless.

- Start with Mocking outrage
- add questionably sourced statistic that purports to show your argument, OR
- randomly attack without evidence previous post and malign as counter intellectual or reason
- Try to outline a metaphorical high road that you see yourself taking, leaving everyone else behind to wallow in the mud you created.

No one cares.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Markstrom was a #1 goalie and still is.
The Flames had no idea if Wolf was ready to assume the reigns or not. They entered the season with questionable goaltending at best.

But it's clear you will skew any of this to suit your version of things.

The guy said we knew Marky wasn’t a cup winning goaltender. You argue and move the goalposts to say he was a number one

Well, sure, he became a number one in Vancouver . He got number one deployment here

He really has only had one above average year in the last 5 seasons, since leaving Vancouver

So he isn’t a cup winning goalie, correct?

Also, funny how some goalies can get by on reputation. It’s not available to every goalie, but to some, it is

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Says the top Holier than though poster in game!

Honestly, much like Dino it's getting to the point where I can basically write your posts for you they're so predictable and pointless.

- Start with Mocking outrage
- add questionably sourced statistic that purports to show your argument, OR
- randomly attack without evidence previous post and malign as counter intellectual or reason
- Try to outline a metaphorical high road that you see yourself taking, leaving everyone else behind to wallow in the mud you created.

Yeah because you have such unique posts lol. Flames didnt try to sqeak in this season they had a top 3 rookie in the league and top 2 cap space. Its wasnt the "same ole"

Now maybe we could get this thread back on topic??
Game 2, go Panthers...get the split