[Trade] Flames trade Tanev (double retention) to Dallas for 2nd, cond. 3rd, Grushnikov

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Slightly different players, and who knows what happens, but it's really coming across that we are getting a 20-year old tanev. Great guy, will do anything for his teammates, plays hard defense, knows his role and wants to do anything to win.

If Regehr and Tanev had a baby...

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly it depends...what is the easier way to win a cup

Pick a team in the offseason and hope you win a cup?

or

Sign 1 year deals with Calgary where you are reported to be building a home, and then get traded at the deadline each year to a top contender?

And have that top contender team be Dallas once again and this time we get Stankoven/Bourque.

[Naitix]

Would not be surprised if Flames preferred 2nd rounder + Grushnikov, over a late first

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If Regehr and Tanev had a baby...

Nuge can play the role of Hemsky… he’s crapping his pants now lol!

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1763277812520423538

[Groot]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I am gru?

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That's settled, then. I'm calling him Gru.

I hope when all is said and done, it's opposing players who think he's despicable, and not Flames fans!

How else does he grow a reputation for his length?

[#-3]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Think the maximum amount of times a single player contract can have salary retention applied is twice (so max 75%).

NHL makes all these rules because they don't like fun.

That's too bad I was just imagining the new Tampa Cap Scam.

-----Give Up --------- Receives -- Retained Salary
TBL 1st+1st++ ----- Tavares --- $42,969
NJD Futrues --------- NYI 6th --- $85,938
NYI NYI 6th --------- NYR 5th -- $171,875
NYR NYR 5th -------- Otw 4th -- $343,750
OTW Otw 4th -------- Nas 3rd --- $687,500
NAS Nas 3rd -------- Min 2nd --- $1,375,000
Min Min 2nd -------- TBL 1st ---- $2,750,000
Tor Tavares -------- 1st++ ------ $5,500,000

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1763277812520423538

Nice! so we could have had a 1st, 2nd and magical 3rd instead?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Nice! so we could have had a 1st, 2nd and magical 3rd instead?

Could be a little bit of spin from the Flames camp but will be interesting to see how it shakes out in 5 years assuming Dallas offered their 1st

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Don't apologize. I've worked as an editor, and I can tell you with assurance: That is an absolutely beautiful sentence. Every clause follows clearly and logically from the one before, and I had no trouble understanding exactly what you meant. I wasn't even aware of how long the sentence was until you slipped in that apology at the end.

Some people would have sprinkled in a couple more commas, but that is a matter of personal taste.

Thanks! I was sure it was bad enough for a temporary CP ban. Or, at a minimum, a paddling.

[bax]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1763277812520423538

I have a pretty tough time believing that tbh.

Maybe they valued Grushnikov plus the 2nd more than a 1st, but just him? I’m not so sure.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Thanks! I was sure it was bad enough for a temporary CP ban. Or, at a minimum, a paddling.

If sentence structure was a reason for temporary banning, this forum would need to expand its penitentiary significantly.

I call dibs on the end cell.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Nice! so we could have had a 1st, 2nd and magical 3rd instead?

Could have been 1st plus the conditional 3rd (maybe make conference finals instead of finals) versus 2nd + Gru + conditional 3rd (make finals)

Who’s to know for sure? I’m like Conroy, seems to be every scout loves the prospect, the player himself knows what he is and what he could become, could help now. I can understand why they went this route, hopefully it works out!

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah I think that has to be a bit of a weird quote contextually.

I would guess it was never a 1st + 2nd on the table from Dallas.

My guess would be a late 1st vs 2nd + Greshnikov...and I have no issues with the Flames valuing the two assets instead of just the late first.

Generally 2 2nds would be more value than a late 1st in a trade going on trade value charts.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by bax

I have a pretty tough time believing that tbh.

Maybe they valued Grushnikov plus the 2nd more than a 1st, but just him? I’m not so sure.

Why not?

They've seen the player play and must also have a good internal list for what is going to be available in this year's draft.

If they put those appraisals together and see that Grush is better right now than the players they project late into the first round in the next draft, then you take Grush every time.

[GioforPM]

Yeah my read is "late 1st" v "late 2nd plus Gru".

IN this draft I think the plateaus probably say take the latter.

[1qqaaz]

Nah, for this draft, I'd much much rather just have the 1st.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bax

I have a pretty tough time believing that tbh.

Maybe they valued Grushnikov plus the 2nd more than a 1st, but just him? I’m not so sure.

Why? Because you don't? You think Conroy would lie about it? (why not just say something else)

[Muta]

I do like the philosophy of getting almost-ready prospects though. They're further along in their development, and if the Flames see something in Gru, then let's see how this plays out. Best case scenario is that we eventually get a Tanev replacement in him.