No offence to anyone in this thread but if you guys think that my online persona is a definitive representation of me or that I actually care that anyone "thinks" I'm a jerk is going to be sorely disappointed.
Dude, a guy in this thread threatened to "break my face" for my comments.
The point of that post was to try and get people to calm down and let it go. I don't want people stressing about what a horrible guy I am for no reason.
To be fair sometimes I just try to push other people's buttons.
However, I assure you this isn't one of those cases.
I'll admit when I'm with lesser abled people, I'll choose my words carefully because I don't want to offend them but personally I just don't know where to draw the line anymore.
Can I say handicapped? Lesser abled? Differently abled? Special? Mentally challenged? Mentally ######ed? ######ed? Crippled? Handicappable?
I've had this discussion with Dion about a dozen times and he's always way too stuck in his ways to even consider my side of the argument. I see that you might be the same.
You make the words offensive, not me. I get the fact that some people use these words to put down people with disabilities but I don't. I wouldn't say I'm taking the word back but I do believe that we shouldn't let the scum of our society control the way we talk.
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MOre than anything it just makes you sound uneducated using words like ######. Maybe one day you'l have a ###### kid and you'll think about your use of words a bit better. And who is the 'scum' of society that is contolling the way we speak? Isn't it more like the scum of society that act like uneducated rednecks and talk in offensive disrespectful matters?
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I wonder if flip would volunteer to be in a wheelchair for a week with his legs duct taped together so he can't use them. Maybe that would change his perspective a little bit.
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I wonder if flip would volunteer to be in a wheelchair for a week with his legs duct taped together so he can't use them. Maybe that would change his perspective a little bit.
I doubt it would change his perspective. After all, the inside of a rectum probably isn't any different whether one is sitting or standing.
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I wonder if flip would volunteer to be in a wheelchair for a week with his legs duct taped together so he can't use them. Maybe that would change his perspective a little bit.
What perspective is that?
Seriously, I've asked about 5 times now and NOBODY in this thread can tell me, other than my vocabulary, what was wrong with my original post?
And you have to actually answer, you can't just say I'm so ignorant there is no point. I keep on asking and asking and asking and people keep piling on and making posts about how I hate disabled people and stuff but I can't find a SINGLE post that explains why my original post is bad (other than the language I use).
Seriously, there are like 10 of you. Can not a single one point out what was so evil about my original post, other than the vocabulary (an issue that has been solved thanks to Flames Gimp and RougeUnderoos)?
I've asked at least a few times now and no one is willing to volunteer an answer, they just show up to the thread, post how I'm evil and leave and won't explain why or how or anything.
Seriously, I've asked about 5 times now and NOBODY in this thread can tell me, other than my vocabulary, what was wrong with my original post?
And you have to actually answer, you can't just say I'm so ignorant there is no point. I keep on asking and asking and asking and people keep piling on and making posts about how I hate disabled people and stuff but I can't find a SINGLE post that explains why my original post is bad (other than the language I use).
Seriously, there are like 10 of you. Can not a single one point out what was so evil about my original post, other than the vocabulary (an issue that has been solved thanks to Flames Gimp and RougeUnderoos)?
No one seems to be able to change your mind on the fact that some words are hurtful and hateful, no matter what your intent was. So why bother?
No one seems to be able to change your mind on the fact that some words are hurtful and hateful, no matter what your intent was. So why bother?
See you guys are avoiding the question.
FLAMES GIMP AND ROUGE UNDEROOS ALREADY CHANGED MY MIND.
How many friggin times do I have to spell it out for you? Check out the Flames Gimp post that says that he'd rather I think of him without a label and just as a person than any stupid word.
And then go look at Rouge's post. It makes it clear that words seem to be a moot point because all they do is label the handicapped as different, what is important is that they are viewed as people, not as different or as needing a label.
So again, I'll ask, CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY ORIGINAL POST EXCEPT THE VOCAB?
Seriously Hab, I said pretty clearly that OTHER THAN THE VOCAB, what is wrong with my original post? Are you ignoring that on purpose? Or by accident?
C'mon, no one? All one person has to do is have the balls to say I'm not a bad person, I just use culturally insensitive words and that despite this I still treat disabled people with all the respect that all of you have so adamantly proclaimed you do.
Well you might not but other posters are still posting in this thread attacking me and attacking me for stuff that isn't to do with my culturally insensitive language.
HOOT? Your post had nothing to do with vocab? Why aren't you here explaining why I hate disabled people?
Reaper? You agreed with HOOT's post which had nothing to do with vocabulary?
One thing I'd add is that you probably should have just got up, walked out and asked for a refund and explained why. Even tickets to another showing of the same movie could have been arranged.
Personally I don't think you should have to just sit there and "put up with it" because the guy lives a harder life than you, but clearly you can't turn around and tell him to STFU.
By getting an exchange/refund you let the guy moan during the movie and you can see the movie without being distracted.
Live and let live. No one should "have" to put up with anything but there are nicer ways of not putting up with it than telling the guy to STFU.
I 100% agree. The helper should not be putting this person in a situation where he will be (unintentionally) ruining the movie for numerous other patrons who payed full price in a full theatre on opening night. This particular case sounds fine though.
Everyone has the right to enjoy a movie in silence. Generally I believe the onus lies with the disrupter to find a solution where they can enjoy the movie without ruining it for everyone else. In the OP's case I think the helper did that. (ie took the ######ed guy to a cheap theatre, presumably sat at the back etc)
Personally, even though it sounds kind of cold and heartless, I don't want to be grossly inconvenienced by anyone, be they lesser abled or not. I'll use an example for context. There is a wheelchair "nazi" at the U of C. This lady will seriously run you over if you don't move out of the way for her and she'll literally yell at people who don't promptly make way for her. Her scooter moves quite quickly and as such goes faster than people walk. For some reason she feels that we should make way for her but I disagree and have had a few run-ins with this monster in the last 6 years. Clearly this lady thinks that the fact she is crippled means that she is entitled to something. I of course, completely disagree. I believe all people should be treated with the SAME courtesy regardless of physical or mental abilities. That is to say if someone is polite I'll let them pass me no matter who they are. For some reason this sad excuse of a woman believes that the fact that she is crippled entitles her to have the unique right of treating people like s*** just because her life is harder than mine (presumably her life is harder than mine because she can't walk)
Since most ######ed people aren't choosing where they go I generally blame the helper if I feel they've put the person in a position where their enjoyment is put front and center at the cost of the enjoyment of other patrons (especially when paying $$ is involved). I know it sounds insensitive but sometimes I don't buy the whole "their life is so hard, we should have to make sacrifices so that they can enjoy things too". Well I agree with the equal treatment of all patrons so regardless if the distraction is a compulsion or not, I believe all people have the right to enjoy something they payed for.
That being said, I'm talking about MAJOR distractions only and in many cases, like the one the OP mentioned, moving or asking for a refund is easily done.
I think consideration for others should always be considered. Whether that means moving from a moaning ######ed guy or making a point of renting movies instead of frequenting a theatre if the persons actions can disrupt the entire theatre and ruin their experience.
As always I should add I don't believe in euphamisms. I believe crippled people are cripples, ######ed people are ######ed. I use straight forward terminology in all of life. People don't pass away, they die. My grandfather didn't have a drinking problem he was a f***ing alcoholic.
If my use of these words offends you then you should consider this: I think I'm a pretty good human being, but I use words that YOU determined might be offensive to YOU. I don't mean them to be offensive because like I said I think I'm generally a pretty good guy.
If you'd rather I pay lip service and use your politically correct words but treat ######ed people and cripples like outcasts...
My point is that my words aren't hurting anyone, however my actions certainly could. What matters is actions, not my vocabulary.
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See you guys are avoiding the question.
FLAMES GIMP AND ROUGE UNDEROOS ALREADY CHANGED MY MIND.
How many friggin times do I have to spell it out for you? Check out the Flames Gimp post that says that he'd rather I think of him without a label and just as a person than any stupid word.
And then go look at Rouge's post.
So again, I'll ask, CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY ORIGINAL POST EXCEPT THE VOCAB?
Seriously Hab, I said pretty clearly that OTHER THAN THE VOCAB, what is wrong with my original post? Are you ignoring that on purpose? Or by accident?
C'mon, no one? All one person has to do is have the balls to say I'm not a bad person, I just use culturally insensitive words and that despite this I still treat disabled people with all the respect that all of you have so adamantly proclaimed you do.
It was a problem not just with your vocabulary, but your tone as well. Your whole message comes across as though you're looking for an argument. It seems to me that you are insinuating that all of us who use politically correct language are sheep or something, while you in your infinite wisdom are above such pandering. That was bound to piss people off, especially in light of the topic.
IDK, if you had just let it go about 40 posts ago, people probably wouldn't even know who the hell you are. Now we all do. lol
Do I think you're a bad person? No. I think you thought you were making a relevant/important/brave statement with your poor choice of language but you were wrong. Don't worry about it though, we're not going to hate you for it.
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It was a problem not just with your vocabulary, but your tone as well. Your whole message comes across as though you're looking for an argument. It seems to me that you are insinuating that all of us who use politically correct language are sheep or something, while you in your infinite wisdom are above such pandering. That was bound to piss people off, especially in light of the topic.
IDK, if you had just let it go about 40 posts ago, people probably wouldn't even know who the hell you are. Now we all do. lol
Do I think you're a bad person? No. I think you thought you were making a relevant/important/brave statement with your poor choice of language but you were wrong. Don't worry about it though, we're not going to hate you for it.
The language argument is not at play here. Because of the posts that FG and Rouge made I've decided to just not use any words at all unless necessary.
I don't find the words I was using offensive, but others do. Others seem to like a different set of words but I find those to be offensive (seriously). Instead, I'll just try and use no special vocab for disabled people unless necessary (like here otherwise this wouldn't make any sense.) Instead of the handicapped guy at the back of the theatre making noise, I'll just say the guy at the back of the theatre making noise. Instead of the crippled/disable/whatever guy in the elevator, I'll just say guy in the wheelchair.
All I'm trying to say is that just because I use language you don't like doesn't mean that I don't sympathize with or treat disable people properly, as some of you seem to think.
Try looking at my original post with language you like and then ignore the last bit that starts with "As always I should add..." and tell me you think there is a problem.
For me at least, there is no correlation between language usage and treatment. (for me and only in this case)
I get the feeling that had I used PC language and left out the disclaimer (obviously if I used PC language) people would have thanked my post instead of attacked it. I'll even go back and edit my original post so that you can read a PC version of my views. EDIT: Done. Now you can read my views without being offended and hopefully my ORIGINAL point that consideration for ALL PEOPLE regardless of their condition is important.
As for hating me, speak for yourself, some of the others seem to have my entire life mapped out because of a few posts...
