Obama will be assassinated if he wins...

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

To be quite honest, I'm surprised nobody has taken a shot at Bush yet...with all the venom and hate out there I would've figured someone would have.

Have you noticed who would take over if somebody succeeded?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Have you noticed who would take over if somebody succeeded?

Pure gold. Well played MM!

[Azure]

blah, nevermind.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Have you noticed who would take over if somebody succeeded?

Shhhhhhh.



Actually, thats scary. Can you imagine how it would be if Rumsfeld was still in the fold.

Who is 3rd in line? Speaker of the House?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Shhhhhhh.



Actually, thats scary. Can you imagine how it would be if Rumsfeld was still in the fold.

Who is 3rd in line? Speaker of the House?

Yep, Nancy Pelosi....just as scary as Cheney!

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Yep, Nancy Pelosi....just as scary as Cheney!

Well thats screwed up.

I hope the Secret Service does a fabulous job in the future.

Geez.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Are you joking?

You're suggesting that people who oppose gun control do so because they don't want their ability to kill people to be ######ed.

Wow.

More their ability to protect themselves, which could result in killing someone. If you don't concede that gun culture in America contributes to the crime problem then I refuse to take up this issue with you.

And what's with the ridiculously immature tone with people around here? Can't there be a debate without intimidation and dismissal in every post?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

More their ability to protect themselves, which could result in killing someone. If you don't concede that gun culture in America contributes to the crime problem then I refuse to take up this issue with you.

Gun Culture? You mean like Switzerland? Where assault rifles are in almost every house? Maybe we should ask them about gun-related crime.

Crime....is an education problem. Period. Put someone through school, educate them, get them a job, and they're less likely to commit a crime.

And what's with the ridiculously immature tone with people around here? Can't there be a debate without intimidation and dismissal in every post?

Hey you're the one who came up with the ridiculous theory that Republicans are more likely to want to kill the President.

So don't blame us if we think such an opinion is rather '######ed.'

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

More their ability to protect themselves, which could result in killing someone. If you don't concede that gun culture in America contributes to the crime problem then I refuse to take up this issue with you.

And what's with the ridiculously immature tone with people around here? Can't there be a debate without intimidation and dismissal in every post?

ya, that's a good point, I disagree with most of what you said until this. I think you are using the concepts of gun culture and gun registries interchangeably, and I disagree with that, I mean criminals who have ill intent in mind with guns aren't exactly going to be first in line to register their gun. Registration is simply a way to tax the people who don't want to shoot people.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Azure

Because he's a Democrat on the Republican side.

Wolf in sheep's clothing, if you may.

Originally Posted by Azure

Never said he 'was' like that, but thats why many hard-core conservatives don't like him.

Originally Posted by Azure

Thats how a lot of hardcore Republicans see him.

A true 'Democrat' who happens to be running on the Republican side.

Originally Posted by Azure

Maybe you can explain to me why the party base hasn't come out strong in their support for him?

Personally I think he would a great job. Better than Obama AND Hillary.

You sure got the Republicans figured. Amazing that such a hardcore Republican state (federally) would vote for a Democrat in Republican clothing. You nailed them Arizonans!



The reason McCain gets limited support from the base is because he is soft on immigration and supports amnesty. The hardcore Republicans want them all sent packing, and anyone who doesn't hold that belief near and dear to their heart can't be trusted.

Frankly, I think that McCain would be the middling candidate of the three left. I think that he is not string enough to be President. After the way he knuckled under to the Bushies in 2000 to the push-polling scandal, and then crawled into to bed with them less than four years later, in hopes their support would help his Presidental bid, I don't think he's got any resolve left to stand up when it matters. He's also entrenched in the political machinery of Washington and the think tank establishment. IMO, he's way too controllable.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

More their ability to protect themselves, which could result in killing someone. If you don't concede that gun culture in America contributes to the crime problem then I refuse to take up this issue with you.

And what's with the ridiculously immature tone with people around here? Can't there be a debate without intimidation and dismissal in every post?

Where did I NOT concede that gun culture in America contributes to crime? Further....where did you suggest it did?

You're moving further and further away from the argument at hand. You suggested that only right wing, pro-gun people kill people.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

You sure got the Republicans figured. Amazing that such a hardcore Republican state (federally) would vote for a Democrat in Republican clothing. You nailed them Arizonans!

Perhaps they understand and know McCain better than the average Republican.

The reason McCain gets limited support from the base is because he is soft on immigration and supports amnesty. The hardcore Republicans want them all sent packing, and anyone who doesn't hold that belief near and dear to their heart can't be trusted.

Pretty much what I figured.

Lets not even mention the obvious economic impact of taking away 10 million people from the workforce.

Frankly, I think that McCain would be the middling candidate of the three left. I think that he is not string enough to be President. After the way he knuckled under to the Bushies in 2000 to the push-polling scandal, and then crawled into to bed with them less than four years later, in hopes their support would help his Presidental bid, I don't think he's got any resolve left to stand up when it matters. He's also entrenched in the political machinery of Washington and the think tank establishment. IMO, he's way too controllable.

Well Hillary is the same way.

But you seriously think Obama can go to Washington and 'not' be influenced by this 'think-tank' establishment?

Sorry, but I don't foresee one person changing Washington.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Azure

Gun Culture? You mean like Switzerland? Where assault rifles are in almost every house? Maybe we should ask them about gun-related crime.

Come on. That's a gross misrepresentation of the facts. Yes, weapons exist in most Swiss homes, and many of them have assault weapons, but it is because it is mandated that anyone in the militia, mandated service from 20-30 years of age, maintains theor weapon at home for purposes of rapid response. The government also makes regular inspections of these weapons to make sure that no unauthorized use has taken place. Yes, the Swiss have a high ratio of gun ownership, but they also have strong laws in support of ownership, responsibility and ownership.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Come on. That's a gross misrepresentation of the facts. Yes, weapons exist in most Swiss homes, and many of them have assault weapons, but it is because it is mandated that anyone in the militia, mandated service from 20-30 years of age, maintains theor weapon at home for purposes of rapid response. The government also makes regular inspections of these weapons to make sure that no unauthorized use has taken place. Yes, the Swiss have a high ratio of gun ownership, but they also have strong laws in support of ownership, responsibility and ownership.

And a well educated population.

Just saying that a high influx of weapons doesn't necessarily mean that crime will go through the roof.

"education" being the keyword here.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Azure

But you seriously think Obama can go to Washington and 'not' be influenced by this 'think-tank' establishment?

Sorry, but I don't foresee one person changing Washington.

You have to start some where, and one man, a black man, could be that start. That's the one reason why Obama could make some serious changes in Washington. He's not entrenched with any of the think tanks or the think tank cronies. Like I say, its a start. It depends who he surrounds himself with in his cabinet. The Democrats are much weaker in the think tanks too, so they won't have as secure a grip.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

The reason McCain gets limited support from the base is because he is soft on immigration and supports amnesty.

They also dislike him for his stances re: the war on terror, specifically his desire to end torture practices such as waterboarding, his desire to close Guantanamo Bay, and his belief that WOT prisoners should be allowed to challenge their detentions in court.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Have you noticed who would take over if somebody succeeded?

That's the same guy as who's most likely to shoot him though.

[FlamesAddiction]

Anyone who becomes president is a candidate for assassination. There is a reason that no presidents since Kennedy rides in the back of convertibles with the roof down.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Political assassinations really have little to do with domestic gun availability. And for what it's worth, such motivations come in such a wide variety, that targeting a certain group is quite silly. History is full of examples of leaders being done in by "their own kind" too. I'm sure Mr. Obama is well aware of the risks inherent in the position.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by blankall

I was thinking of this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QullehqLQ78

gold

Did anyone catch George Lopez make this exact same joke at the Grammys tonight? Word for word. I'm surprised such a hack got to be a presenter at the Grammys. Wait, it's the Grammys, never mind.