02-10-2008, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
It's never been explained why hardcore Republicans dislike McCain so much. Is it because he's not a real neocon or is it because he voted against the tax cuts for the rich?
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Because he's a Democrat on the Republican side.
Wolf in sheep's clothing, if you may.
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02-10-2008, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
Because he's a Democrat on the Republican side.
Wolf in sheep's clothing, if you may.
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That's not true either.
It's because he doesn't vote down the party line.
And most Republicans abhor the McCain-Kennedy bill on immigration.
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02-10-2008, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
That's not true either.
It's because he doesn't vote down the party line.
And most Republicans abhor the McCain-Kennedy bill on immigration.
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Never said he 'was' like that, but thats why many hard-core conservatives don't like him.
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02-10-2008, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
Never said he 'was' like that, but thats why many hard-core conservatives don't like him.
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Well describing him as a democrat is a stretch, didn't you do that? I may have misunderstood.
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02-10-2008, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SportsJunky
I completely disagree. The republicans should just hand over the keys to the white house now because there is no way the Democrats lose. Americans (yes me too) need to feel like they have done their part to banish Bush and his cronies from being able to embarass and humiliate them anymore. The Republicans don't stand a chance.
Perhaps after Obama/Clinton have had 4 (and maybe 8) years of running the country, the conservatives will rise again.
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See, thoughts like this bug the heck out of me.
McCain, Romney, Huckabee, Paul....none of them have much to do with what's happened over the last 8 years. Nothing. Just because you have an (R) by your name doesn't mean you are akin to 'Bush and his cronies'.
I think it's a horrible thing to base a vote on.
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02-10-2008, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald
If Obama wins the Democratic nomination there are plenty of Republicans that will hold their nose and vote for him over McCain. The Republicans really do not like McCain in any shape or form. How he's winning the nomination is a mystery. Having said that, if its Clinton versus McCain, Republicans will fall back on party lines and vote for McCain. There is only one politician they hate more than McCain, and that's Hillary. Ironically, Hillary has the possibility to split the Democratic vote like McCain would for the Republicans. As an independent, I will vote for Obama first, and likely McCain second. It would require reaching way down, but I would cast my vote for McCain just to keep Clinton out of the White House. I see here and Bill creating gridlock in Washington and nothing being accomplished during her term in office. Those two are just too divisive.
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WTF? I seriously think I wrote this.
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02-10-2008, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
Well describing him as a democrat is a stretch, didn't you do that? I may have misunderstood.
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Thats how a lot of hardcore Republicans see him.
A true 'Democrat' who happens to be running on the Republican side.
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02-10-2008, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
See, thoughts like this bug the heck out of me.
McCain, Romney, Huckabee, Paul....none of them have much to do with what's happened over the last 8 years. Nothing. Just because you have an (R) by your name doesn't mean you are akin to 'Bush and his cronies'.
I think it's a horrible thing to base a vote on.
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They're all in on it my friend. 
Its as bad as all the Republicans who refuse to give Obama a look because he happens to be a Democrat.
Partisan politics....its what runs Washington, and nobody will ever change it. Not even Obama.
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02-10-2008, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by blankall
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So Obama should look at Bill Richardson for VP. 
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02-10-2008, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Thunderball
Yes... that's right... the hillbillies will lynch the coloured president... god.
This is 2008, not 1908. Most of the violent racist wackos are now pooping themselves in some nursing home, and the rest are too disorganized and useless to get within 100ft of any President. Especially since the Secret Service will be especially vigilant.
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As much as we would love to believe that race isn't an issue in 2008 the truth is just the opposite. I think that it's a legitimate concern for Obama, was he to win the presidency, still NOT a reason to NOT vote for him.
This reminds me of Eddie Murphy talking about black politicians in Delirious. Maybe Barrack Obama needs to get himself in shape.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jwITXrXkdG8&feature=related
about 5mins in
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02-10-2008, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
Thats how a lot of hardcore Republicans see him.
A true 'Democrat' who happens to be running on the Republican side.
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They're high.
It's the same as calling Joe Lieberman a Repulican.
McCain stands for a ton of longstanding Republian policy points...
Strong national defense
low taxes
low spending
balanced budget
less federal government (hence his stance on Roe V Wade)
He's certainly a moderate, I wouldn't argue that...but he's not close to being a democrat by definition.
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02-10-2008, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
They're high.
It's the same as calling Joe Lieberman a Repulican.
McCain stands for a ton of longstanding Republian policy points...
Strong national defense
low taxes
low spending
balanced budget
less federal government (hence his stance on Roe V Wade)
He's certainly a moderate, I wouldn't argue that...but he's not close to being a democrat by definition.
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Maybe you can explain to me why the party base hasn't come out strong in their support for him?
Personally I think he would a great job. Better than Obama AND Hillary.
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02-10-2008, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
Maybe you can explain to me why the party base hasn't come out strong in their support for him?
Personally I think he would a great job. Better than Obama AND Hillary.
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Because the party base was supporting Romney.
I never said hardcore Republicans LIKE McCain...I'm just saying that he's not a democrat 'infidel'. 
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02-10-2008, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
Because the party base was supporting Romney.
I never said hardcore Republicans LIKE McCain...I'm just saying that he's not a democrat 'infidel'. |
So I assume they'll support Huckabee until he drops out. Then, hopefully, they'll flock to McCain, and he can draw enough moderates from the Democrat side to win.
Unless Hillary wins, and in that case its a crapshoot.
Hillary is the 'infidel.' McCain has quite a ways to go to reach her status. 
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02-10-2008, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
It's the same as calling Joe Lieberman a Repulican.
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Didn't I see Joe Lieberman at a McCain rally?  I'm pretty sure I did...
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02-10-2008, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by icarus
Didn't I see Joe Lieberman at a McCain rally? I'm pretty sure I did... |
No surprise.
McCain should pick him as a running mate. 
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02-10-2008, 06:15 PM
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It's not that Republicans hate McCain (they clearly don't because they've been voting for him) it's the conservatives that hate him - especially the Social Conservatives who came out in such huge numbers for Bush in 2000 and 2004. They refer to him as a RINO (Republican In Name Only) and loathe his stance on Amnesty and his willingness to work with liberals.
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02-10-2008, 06:16 PM
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No surprise.
McCain should pick him as a running mate. |
Seconded.
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02-10-2008, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by driveway
It's not that Republicans hate McCain (they clearly don't because they've been voting for him) it's the conservatives that hate him - especially the Social Conservatives who came out in such huge numbers for Bush in 2000 and 2004. They refer to him as a RINO (Republican In Name Only) and loathe his stance on Amnesty and his willingness to work with liberals.
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Well said.
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02-10-2008, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by icarus
Didn't I see Joe Lieberman at a McCain rally? I'm pretty sure I did... |
Yes, you did. Exactly why I used him as the comparison.
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