Hilary Clinton: 'I’m in and I’m in to win'

[Bobblehead]

And Obama responds...

These malicious, irresponsible charges are precisely the kind of politics the American people have grown tired of, and that Senator Obama is trying to change by focusing on bringing people together to solve our common problems.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Honestly Rouge, none of that is any different than any other President.

Honestly I was thinking the same thing. But I've never heard Bush talking about gods will or religion when it comes to the current war in a Iraq. I do remember a speech where he told American's that Islam was not represented by the extremist views of radical islam. But thats the only direct religous connection that I can think of.

I think your making a huge assumptive leap Rouge.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think your making a huge assumptive leap Rouge.

Yeah maybe I am but he does claim to be "down with the king" more than the other (2) presidents I can remember ever did. He has said publicly that he believes he is doing god's work and god put him there. I guess technically all religious folks believe that to some extent so, umm, yeah. He has said "freedom is a gift from the almighty" and I took it to mean that a gift from god had been given to the Iraqis, so that's one other religious connection.

In all honesty, I think the whole Jesus/God angle is a scam anyway and he just says those things for votes, but there is a Christian tinge to the whole thing as far as I can tell.

You just know the crazies on the other side are spinning it up that way whether it's true or not.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

incredibly sad comment - because its so true...cnn already "mistakenly" had "OSAMA" under his picture during one story...idiots

Yet they went out of their way to debunk the inaccurate report out of the other news agency. So which is it?

I actually think this will help him in the end.

[moon]

I think focusing on the fake reports of his "muslim education" helps him as it takes away from the real issue of his age and inexperience in federal level politics and if the media is more focused on this bogus story, they may not look at the fact that he has been a senator for 2 years and before that involved in State politics for only 7. Eventually most of the public, if they already haven't, will realise that it is BS and those that don't probably wouldn't have voted for the black guy anyways. I'm not saying that you need to be 70 years old and a political lifer, but if I were running against him in the democratic primary thats what I would focus on. Has he done he enough to be prepared for the Presidency?

I think both him and Hilary are much better candidates in 2012 or even 2016 in Obama's case but based on the fact that there is nobody on the Democrats side that is a strong candidate.

The Republicans have two great candidates if it were 2004. Mccain and esepcially Guiliani would have walked with the 2004 election if George W. hadn't been the incumbent. Now it seems like Mccain has been around too long and like a draft prospect people have had too much time to nitpick at him and his "potential and upside" are not nearly as exciting as they once were. I think 9/11 may be too far back and Iraq has tainted some of the goodwill that Guiliani would have ridden in on in the past. Plus he seems to have been invisible the past 3-4 years.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

I don't know... I think Giuliani might win the election handily if he could get nominated.

But the GOP is getting progressively more conservative, and the odds of them nominating a pro-choice, pro-same-sex marriage fiscal conservative/social liberal are pretty slim.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by moon

I think focusing on the fake reports of his "muslim education" helps him as it takes away from the real issue of his age and inexperience in federal level politics and if the media is more focused on this bogus story, they may not look at the fact that he has been a senator for 2 years and before that involved in State politics for only 7.

The Republicans have two great candidates if it were 2004. Mccain and esepcially Guiliani would have walked with the 2004 election if George W. hadn't been the incumbent.

Just wondering, what are Guiliani's qualifications and how much federal level experience does he have?

I'm just asking, because I honestly don't know.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Just wondering, what are Guiliani's qualifications and how much federal level experience does he have?

I'm just asking, because I honestly don't know.

Giuliani doesn't have any federal political experience. He does have a good deal of national exposure, but that's about it. I still think he'd make a good candidate--it's not as if GWB had any federal experience. Or Clinton for that matter.

[moon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Just wondering, what are Guiliani's qualifications and how much federal level experience does he have?

I'm just asking, because I honestly don't know.

I guess he has experience of being the head of a major governmental body while mayor of NYC. Which would give him experience in having to deal with many of the issues the President would albeit on a different scale. Obviously there isn't another position that will directly qualify you for the Presidency, but as NYC mayor I think Guiliani can at least draw paralells. I did mention that you don't need to be a political lifer, but with Obama's age and I think experience can come more into play than for a guy like Guiliani who has been around. I'm not sure that experience is even a issue for Obama but because he is so young for Presidential standards it seems like an issue that could be used against him. Especially by Hilary who seems to be focusing on her experience in and around the White House

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by moon

I guess he has experience of being the head of a major governmental body while mayor of NYC. Which would give him experience in having to deal with many of the issues the President would albeit on a different scale. Obviously there isn't another position that will directly qualify you for the Presidency, but as NYC mayor I think Guiliani can at least draw paralells. I did mention that you don't need to be a political lifer, but with Obama's age and I think experience can come more into play than for a guy like Guiliani who has been around. I'm not sure that experience is even a issue for Obama but because he is so young for Presidential standards it seems like an issue that could be used against him. Especially by Hilary who seems to be focusing on her experience in and around the White House

Ideally, candidates would be evaluated according to their resumes. In reality, that never happens. Bush's only experience was as governor of Texas--a state in which the governor has very little real power, and what he had he mostly chose not to use--it was pretty clearly a stepping-stool to higher office for him right from the start. Clinton was governor of Arkansas for 8 years, but the so-called "knock" on him going into the primaries was lack of experience. The truth is that a lack of experience only hurts a candidate if they also SEEM inexperienced. Obama is a very good communicator; I very much doubt that he'll be hurt by a lack of experience, particularly since he's extremely articulate, which makes a huge difference in terms of shaping people's perceptions.

And experience isn't always a good thing. Gore was highly experienced, and perhaps as a result was constantly dogged by questions about his record (most of them idiotic, but that still can be a millstone to a campaign) while Bush got to run on rhetoric and ideas, being himself a virtual clean slate. (what record there was wasn't very pretty, but that's another story). Wesley Clark had a great resume, but was a terrible candidate. As you pointed out, McCain's experience has also led to a somewhat ideologically muddled record, and that may hurt him in the end.

I don't think Obama's lack of experience will be a very big issue. If it were, the top candidates would be Bill Richardson and Tom Vilsack. Hillary had never held an elected office until 2002--think about that.

[tussery]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Ideally, candidates would be evaluated according to their resumes. In reality, that never happens. Bush's only experience was as governor of Texas--a state in which the governor has very little real power, and what he had he mostly chose not to use--it was pretty clearly a stepping-stool to higher office for him right from the start.

And somehow he still managed to screw things up with that little power he had while he was govenor.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by tussery

And somehow he still managed to screw things up with that little power he had while he was govenor.

Hey, everyone has a talent, right?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

It\'s just the crazies....not all 1 billion muslims.

Its just the crazies....not all 1 billion Christians....

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

He has said publicly that he believes he is doing god\'s work and god put him there.

Link?

[Azure]

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...inton-2008.php

DAVENPORT, Iowa: U.S. presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday that U.S. President George W. Bush should withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq before he leaves office, saying it would be \"the height of irresponsibility\" to pass the war along to the next commander in chief.

Already backing away from the burden that the next President SHOULD have in order to fix everything that has gone wrong in the past few years?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Its just the crazies....not all 1 billion Christians....

WTF? Did you even read the post I was responding too?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

WTF? Did you even read the post I was responding too?

I was being half sarcastic.

My point still stands though.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

Link?

www.theskyisblueandwateriswet.com

[Azure]

Thought so.

Say what you will about Bush, but one thing he hasn\'t done is turn the Iraq War into a religious crusade.

And yes I realize that he may think God put him there....he certainly has that right. Obama will most likely think and say the same thing....especially if he is a Christian like IFF pointed out.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

Thought so.

Say what you will about Bush, but one thing he hasn\'t done is turn the Iraq War into a religious crusade.

And yes I realize that he may think God put him there....he certainly has that right. Obama will most likely think and say the same thing....especially if he is a Christian like IFF pointed out.

Oddly enough he has actually used the word "crusade" in reference to this war. Not in a religious connotation of course since this is a Crusade For Democracy!!!1

And yes he does have the right to think god put him there, just like I have the right to believe I'm Gordie Howe. Luckily my Howesian Delusions don't lead to anything further than me walking around town next to Ferris Bueller.