The Tariff Thread

[chummer]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Probably a good thing Habs aren’t hosting an American team tonight…. I can’t see Ottawa fans protesting during the anthem.

We'll probably hear some boos in every Canadian rink.

I think the best solution is just stop playing the anthems in Canada.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by chummer

We'll probably hear some boos in every Canadian rink.

I think the best solution is just stop playing the anthems in Canada.

I'm not standing up for the American anthem. We know last time that someone didn't stand for it the absolute fragility of Trump and the Fox News crowd with something about veterans and freedom. I would love for an entire stadium to just sit down.

[iamca]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I can't believe Trump's advisers are letting him go through with this. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

They are idiots as well.

Have you watched any of his cabinet position appointees being interviewed?

Trump is a pompous, lying trust fund a-hole, who has always surrounded himself with sycophants.

It’s going to be at least 2 years of these types of political garbage and maybe all 4 years with the Dems spinning their wheels and not coming up with a plan for the midterms and gaining some traction in all the red states.

It’s fugly and about to get fuglier.


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[opendoor]

Originally Posted by simmer2

If the Liberals weren't so incredibly short-sided in not encouraging exports outside the US, we wouldn't nearly feel the same impacts.

I don't know, it's reasonable business practice to not have all your eggs in one basket.

To blame Trump for this mess is inexcusable.

And we have a PM who resigned and government is progued.

Absolutely pathetic state this government has allowed Canada to be put into.

Canada sells primarily to the US because that provides the best return on investment. I get that people who only think in terms of oil and gas might think that the government dictates that, because it is geographically constrained. But do you seriously think there are non-US buyers for Canadian lumber/aluminum/steel/etc that will buy similar volumes and pay more than US customers but Canada just doesn't sell to them for whatever reason?

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Canada and the provinces who were against the pipelines to the east and west have no one to blame but themselves. The whole point of those projects was to help Canada get away from depending too much on one nation or one thing. Hard not to point at these jokers and say we told you so.

We have three coastal lines. There is no excuse that they cannot access ports for their resources. What other country in the world would have this sort of problem?

And they were the first to pile on Smith for not being a team player trying to protect Alberta’s interests. I know for a fact Horgan had a stack of legal opinions that said his attempts to stop TMX grossly exceeded provincial jurisdiction, yet he refused to stand down and after costing the parties millions in legal fees was ultimately slapped by a unanimous decision of his own BC Court of Appeal. So I could care less about the inevitable hit to the BC economy.

Years ago Jack Mintz pitched a national utility corridor along the border with the NWT that would have put this country on a path to prosperity but of course the idea was rejected immediately.

Canada has been a country that refused and continues to refuse to get out if its own way and now we are all going to pay dearly.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Slava

Industries like agriculture, lumber and other commodities are going to suffer and these tariffs are catastrophic. Alberta ranchers are going to have an incredible impact, and all people care about is whether we should’ve approved Northern Gateway over a decade ago. It’s kind of unbelievable.

in a vacuum, this might seem like a sensible post but the decade ago you refer to was when Trudeau nixes that project, and trump furst started threatening sanctions.

It's totally fair to be frustrated about the inevitable consequences a no-brainer decision. Our government should not be the enemy of our economy. O&G might only be one industry, but we need our government to make decisions that favour economic growth otherwise we will become Siberia 2.0

[Slava]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

in a vacuum, this might seem like a sensible post but the decade ago you refer to was when Trudeau nixes that project, and trump furst started threatening sanctions.

It's totally fair to be frustrated about the inevitable consequences a no-brainer decision. Our government should not be the enemy of our economy. O&G might only be one industry, but we need our government to make decisions that favour economic growth otherwise we will become Siberia 2.0

Wrong thread for this, but NG was proposed in 2008. Harper was Prime Minister and the project wasn’t anywhere near getting done 7 years later. Of course the Trump issues started in 2016 though; that’s when he was elected.

[Jason14h]

I’m sure the rest of the world will come to Canadas rescue because we have shown we are committed to being a climate change leader and the most accepting country in the world .

Right?

[calgarygeologist]

CBC says that a $150B retaliatory tariff package is coming against the US. I wonder what Trump's next move will be once Canada makes that official.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

CBC says that a $150B retaliatory tariff package is coming against the US. I wonder what Trump's next move will be once Canada makes that official.

He already said he will increase US tariffs.

We are so ####ed it’s not funny.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

He already said he will increase US tariffs.

We are so ####ed it’s not funny.

Yes, but how much and how soon? Does 25% become 30% or 50%? How crazy do the government's on both sides of the border get in terms of trading shots?

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

CBC says that a $150B retaliatory tariff package is coming against the US. I wonder what Trump's next move will be once Canada makes that official.

That's so funny to me. Trump makes everything more expensive for us, so Trudeau is going to do the same to Canadians in response?

I guess it will be our turn to get it even worse now!

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Yes, but how much and how soon? Does 25% become 30% or 50%? How crazy do the government's on both sides of the border get in terms of trading shots?

retaliation is one part of it but I would like the government to show initiative in increasing trade with mexico. We can import all of their cable tv and whatever else mexico is known for

[BigThief]

Is this really a "both sides" thing? This is 100% on Donald Trump. Him and his billionaire buddies are going to crash the economies and be kings of the ashes. All of them racing to see who can be the first trillionaire. Anyone who can ever got caught up in any nonsense culture war and let that guide them.. are truly idiots.

Any of you worrying about gender neutral bathrooms now?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

retaliation is one part of it but I would like the government to show initiative in increasing trade with mexico. We can import all of their cable tv and whatever else mexico is known for

I hope you like avocado toast.

[FlameyMcFlameFace]

Im no oil/gas expert. Not my field at all, however being a born and raised Calgarian I have lots of friends and family in the industry. I would love to get some insight from an oil/gas professional!

I see Trump (rumoured) has put 10% instead of 25% on oil. What does this mean for us? Is this a win? what do we need to do to prepare? How do you think we should respond? Basically Im trying to ask in a roundabout way, are we f####D?

Sorry I know these questions are so broad, but im looking for a perspective from Alberta with oil/gas experience. So explain to me as if I'm in high school again! Please and thank you.


Im just genuinely concerned for our country and Canadian people.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

He already said he will increase US tariffs.

We are so ####ed it’s not funny.

See, I disagree. Trump put that 10% on oil and that’s showing right where he’s vulnerable. You step up and make life painful for him right there.

And I know, this hurts the sector and sucks for Canadians. Guess what? 25% across the board really hurts and we can’t take that lying down either.

[TheIronMaiden]

Can someone explain what the end goal for these Tarrifs is?

[Mr.Coffee]

People can blame Trump. It makes sense, him and his team are the ones doing this.

But Trump is not the leader of Canada or government of Canada. Trump is not the one that prevented Canada from giving itself options to diversify its economy if we ever end up in a situation like this one.

Canadians need a serious look in the mirror on this one and the result should be, hopefully, a course correction in how our geopolitical strategies inform how we design and build our economy.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Years ago Jack Mintz pitched a national utility corridor along the border with the NWT that would have put this country on a path to prosperity but of course the idea was rejected immediately.

Some MS Paint lines on a map does not a project proposal make. Who rejected what, exactly?

Spoiler!