[PGT] Tampa douses the Flames 8-3.

[Ped]

Vladar had a stretch of 4 games in 5 where his SPCT was over at least .913 in those 4 games. Since then, he's only had 3 more games where it's above .900 (in 11 other games). Clearly he has some talent, but his results are pretty much falling in line with his career.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Vasilevsky let in a similar one to that. All goalies do - sometimes the puck gets past them. Goaltending is hard, and the puck is weirdly shaped - sometimes it comes off the stick in unexpected ways, and makes the goalie look silly.

But Flames fans jump all over the goalies every time the red light goes on (unless Wolf is in net)

It is comical

People can accept the narrative that team leaves a goalie hung out to dry … up until 5 GA. Once the 6th goes in, their brains break

Then it’s just too many and it’s on the goalie

Huska should have pulled him after 5 or 6 at most. Disappointed in Huska, that’s a team failure and you should send them the message.



At the same time, people should look at the D and be honest with themselves as to what they should expect

After Andersson and Weegar, who are both top 4 guys, you have

Bahl - one full season under his belt, on a bad Jersey team. He’s in the top 2 here (!)

Pachal and Miromanov - fun fact, these guys have something in common. They each played a total of 29 games in their career before Calgary traded for them (over 3 seasons, and with Vegas). Yup, those are regulars who play pretty much every night

Then whoever is 6th - Bean / Barrie , whatever

You roll that out against Kucherov, Point, Guentzel, Hagel and Cirelli, and expect exactly what again?

[Bonded]

Weegar also played a like a #6 last game

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Weegar also played a like a #6 last game

Yeah, it’s gotta be tough for him and Ras

When you only have 2 established NHL D in your lineup, you really can’t afford for one to have an off night

[SuperMatt18]

The whole team had a bad game and I don't think that was on Vladar.

I'd say the only real criticism of Vladar would be the second goal and especially the timing of it. The game was pretty even up to that point and it did create a bit of a snowball effect (with the undisciplined play also playing a factor in the two PP goals against).

After that the Flames had to start chasing the game and Tampa Bay is not an offense you want to have to stretch out against and chase the game, because they will crush you in transition once you're stretched out.

It's an issue he had the past two seasons in terms of letting in a soft goal at an inopportune time of the game and it popped up again last night. He's been able to avoid it for the most part this season though.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Weegar also played a like a #6 last game

Weegar was receiving Norris votes when he was paired with decent partners (Ekblad, Chariot, and Forsling) prior to coming to Calgary.

He deserves the benefit of the doubt for an off-game while trying to carry a #6 dman partner against one of the highest scoring offenses in the league

[zukes]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

It's playoffs or bottom 10. No in between!

Hopefully the team will pick a lane and commit to that.

This is all I want. One or the other, nothing in between. I love playoff hockey, this year as long as it means no trading of future assets than go for it! If not, get into the bottom ten!

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Vladar is what he is . A .8xx goalie.
Now he is 27, there is no real potential left. His best value was when the wizard overpaid for him

Did he? He paid a third for a guy that will end up being a back-up for 4 seasons and may net some sort of asset at the end of that.

Doesn't feel like an overpay for me. In fact seems like a pretty good deal.

[Goriders]

The Miromanov and Weegar pairing was a train wreck last night

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I agree. It's just sometimes I get triggered when DeluxMustache starts defending goaltenders as he's got some weird attachment to Flames backup goaltenders going back years. I don't have anything against Dan Vladar as he seems like a good dude. He's just not a very good NHL goaltender relative to his peers.

You’re funny

If you pay attention to what I have been saying, I always had a simple consistent point of view

Goalies are simply more fungible than people give them credit for and their ability to succeed has a lot to do with the team and happenings in front of them

Flames play a primarily bubble/AHL D against the high octane Lightning and they get lit up… and we are knives out against the goalie. lol


The first time I gave a commentary on what I thought was reasonable was against the Lightning as well. Rittich let in 6. That day, the poison for the Flames was passes from behind the net into the slot and quick one timers. The kind that the best you can do as a goalie is be as well positioned as you can and hope it hits you.

That was one of the games where it hits 6 goals against, and people’s brains break. “At some point you have to make a save”


That guy was serviceable over 5 seasons with the Flames, never sub .900. Never said he was the second coming, but he was a great story

I always said he was a decent goalie, who would do well behind a decent D

Last year with LA, he was 13-6-3 with a .921 save percentage
This year you won’t like his sv%, but a closer look shows that he has been blown out a couple of times (4 on 14 vs Toronto, 6 vs Vegas, and 7 GA vs SJ) but outside of that has 11 starts with 2 GA or less


So long story short, I see you can start off your posts telling us how you feel about yourself (about as even as they come), and then you can tell us how you get triggered by me not blaming a goalie on a bad team night. Just at the end of the day, once you understand my point, I think you will find I was right :-) haha

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The whole team had a bad game and I don't think that was on Vladar.

I'd say the only real criticism of Vladar would be the second goal and especially the timing of it. The game was pretty even up to that point and it did create a bit of a snowball effect (with the undisciplined play also playing a factor in the two PP goals against).

After that the Flames had to start chasing the game and Tampa Bay is not an offense you want to have to stretch out against and chase the game, because they will crush you in transition once you're stretched out.

It's an issue he had the past two seasons in terms of letting in a soft goal at an inopportune time of the game and it popped up again last night. He's been able to avoid it for the most part this season though.

I didn’t like that goal, he didn’t. Stuff shouldn’t go through you, ideally

But they were in the game after that, it was 4-3. It was the overall deflation of goal 5 when things went off the rails

Because they’d have to score 6 to win. And they have decided that’s not something they do. They play in close games

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Did he? He paid a third for a guy that will end up being a back-up for 4 seasons and may net some sort of asset at the end of that.

Doesn't feel like an overpay for me. In fact seems like a pretty good deal.

It’s fine from what the Flames got out of it

But if you look at goalie trades, a 3rd is a good return for backups

[Psytic]

Awful game for the defense as a whole. Vladar is a slightly above average back up that was hung out to dry. I don't put this on him at all. The fact is there was maybe like 1 goal that was bad and if the team cant overcome one muffin once and awhile it isn't going anywhere. I just hope they don't end up 9th or something and miss out on their pick.

[taxbuster]

Beaten by a team that is talented, has structure (and follows it), knows how to support their fellow players when in trouble by giving them short outlet pass locations and knows all of that...and then used it mercilessly on a highly disorganized Flames team that fell back on long cross-ice passes and gave up the middle regularly.


On to the next lesson.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Awful game for the defense as a whole. Vladar is a slightly above average back up that was hung out to dry. I don't put this on him at all. The fact is there was maybe like 1 goal that was bad and if the team cant overcome one muffin once and awhile it isn't going anywhere. I just hope they don't end up 9th or something and miss out on their pick.

Flames have tried a few times to have Vlad be the "go to guy" for a bunch of games in a row...it has NEVER worked IIRC. He's good for a couple of games, then needs to rest. Not the guy to carry a load of games sadly.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Flames have tried a few times to have Vlad be the "go to guy" for a bunch of games in a row...it has NEVER worked IIRC. He's good for a couple of games, then needs to rest. Not the guy to carry a load of games sadly.

Help me understand how it can ‘work’

What goalie - any goalie in the NHL - wins last night’s game for the Flames?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Did he? He paid a third for a guy that will end up being a back-up for 4 seasons and may net some sort of asset at the end of that.

Doesn't feel like an overpay for me. In fact seems like a pretty good deal.

But that would mean he couldn't walk out his wizard comment for the 99th time.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Did he? He paid a third for a guy that will end up being a back-up for 4 seasons and may net some sort of asset at the end of that.

Doesn't feel like an overpay for me. In fact seems like a pretty good deal.

Don’t look now, but he’s not a backup. He’s part of an evenly deployed tandem

[The Cobra]

Teams often don't take out their starting goalie and put in the other guy when the other guy is starting next game. May as well rest the next starter.

Now, they'll often do it when its the regular starter who is expected to play the next game.

Why put in Wolf half way through the third when he's starting tomorrow.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Awful game for the defense as a whole. Vladar is a slightly above average back up that was hung out to dry. I don't put this on him at all. The fact is there was maybe like 1 goal that was bad and if the team cant overcome one muffin once and awhile it isn't going anywhere. I just hope they don't end up 9th or something and miss out on their pick.

Based on what?

I'm all about giving guys chances and goaltending is a position i know more about than skaters, so i have a longer leash than most for those guys.

But DV has never shown he is even average at the NHL level even though he can look lights out in small spurts.

And this is not just about last night, though i did not think he was very good at all, this is his 5th year playing in the league now. His numbers are consistently bad.