San Jose Sharks Discussion Thread

[Johnny Makarov]

Watch them lose the draft lottery after setting a season record for losses this year.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

A single point in this stage of the season is pretty unprecedented. But I can appreciate and respect how they went into this rebuild. They saw the writing on the wall years ago and have been prepping their fanbase, ownership and sponsors of the looming rebuild. They have done a solid job executing it from a PR standpoint and you won't find a Sharks' fan anywhere who has any kind of expectation of success for the next few seasons. Just suck as much as possible and accumulate without any quick-fix signings on the roster.

Selling off Karlsson after winning the Norris was especially masterful. Get a 1st rounder and they can easily flip Hoffman and Granlund at the deadline for a haul. Imagine for once in my lifetime the Flames selling high on a player who just had a season like that. Unfathomable around here. As for Hoffman and Grandlun, doesn't matter they are both having brutal seasons. All Doug Wilson has to do is say "Look how bad our team is, these guys will flourish on a good team!".

Just ride that rebuild for the next few years without a pressure in the world, and they will still be a highly sought after destination when they are ready to contend. I'm jealous of them TBH.

I agree with the larger point that SJ fans have been prepped for this for a while but there is no way Hoffman and Granlund return a "haul". They are terrible (for the contract) and have been so for a while.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

They've been working on it for a while, but bottoming out isn't as easy as fans assume - players have contracts (and NTCs)

In the case of the Flames, a number of key players are UFAs this summer. Shouldn't be hard at all to bottom out.

[dino7c]

SJ signed a 29 year old to an 8 year 65.1M contract in 2022

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

SJ signed a 29 year old to an 8 year 65.1M contract in 2022

The ownership is similar to Edwards.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/02/...be-a-surprise/

[dino7c]

sure, but what is this..."so smart and shrewd with their awesome rebuild" talk

they tried to win and sucked...hard. Just recently have been forced into throwing in the towel.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

sure, but what is this..."so smart and shrewd with their awesome rebuild" talk

they tried to win and sucked...hard. Just recently have been forced into throwing in the towel.

Oh I didn't read through. Yeah, this wasn't their plan. It is like calling Edwards shrewd when as this core continues to fall apart

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Oh I didn't read through. Yeah, this wasn't their plan. It is like calling Edwards shrewd when as this core continues to fall apart

Yeah on the last page posters were talking about how smart they were and how jealous we should be. To be fair they also thought Doug Wilson was still the GM so lol

[bdubbs]

I'd agree with a relegation system for the NHL. That'd add a lot of fun to the whole system admittedly, but the owners would never approve of this.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

I'd agree with a relegation system for the NHL. That'd add a lot of fun to the whole system admittedly, but the owners would never approve of this.

Think of the potential banners for the Oilers!

Relegation Champions!

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

I'd agree with a relegation system for the NHL. That'd add a lot of fun to the whole system admittedly, but the owners would never approve of this.

You'd have to restructure the entire sport. The richest teams would be perennial contenders. It would be a disaster.

[Ped]

Being terrible is okay. Being historically terrible is bad for everyone in the franchise.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Watch them lose the draft lottery after setting a season record for losses this year.

Thanks to Edmonton being so bad they got the rules changed, it's distinctly possible.

[Mathgod]

The lottery system is problematic, IMO. It doesn't do much to disincentivize tanking, yet it can screw over a team that desperately needs help to get out of a long-lasting rut.

The current year's standings is not what the draft order should be based on.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I sometimes wonder what the NHL would look like if there was no reward for losing.
Imagine a league where draft order was completely random for example, there would be no tanking.
It is strange to watch games, especially late in the season where a team has more benefit in losing than winning.

Edmonton were rewarded even more by sucking so bad, the order was changed, only to benefit them again.

That said, the benefit of tanking would be somewhat mitigated if there was a completely random draw for all teams missing the play-offs.

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Keep the draft order how its always been, but give higher lottery odds to teams that just missed the POs.

Teams that try should definitely be rewarded more.

Best system I have heard suggested was, How many points you get from the time you are officially eliminated would determine your pick order. highest number of points would get 1st pick.

So a team might be out of it by November but are not officially eliminated until say Mid February. If they only win 3 games for the rest of the year they would have 6 points. Maybe they win more, but they would still be in the business of winning, so they couldn't just sell off and tank.

A team that gets eliminated 2.5 weeks before the end of the season wins 5 of 8 games having 10 points, so they would pick ahead of the above team.

There are probably still some flaws with this, but it in order to get the first pick you still have to be trying to win games. You can't just go trading your UFA's away for picks and prospects.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GFG#1

Best system I have heard suggested was, How many points you get from the time you are officially eliminated would determine your pick order. highest number of points would get 1st pick.

So a team might be out of it by November but are not officially eliminated until say Mid February. If they only win 3 games for the rest of the year they would have 6 points. Maybe they win more, but they would still be in the business of winning, so they couldn't just sell off and tank.

A team that gets eliminated 2.5 weeks before the end of the season wins 5 of 8 games having 10 points, so they would pick ahead of the above team.

There are probably still some flaws with this, but it in order to get the first pick you still have to be trying to win games. You can't just go trading your UFA's away for picks and prospects.

The biggest issue is that it would make it so much harder for a team to get out of the basement. That system might work in a league where there are no trade clauses and contracts are like 3 years max.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I will predict the famous Sarich hit on Marleau will be an overused meme once Calgary beats the odds and takes the 1st overall pick at the draft lottery.

[CliffFletcher]

Sharks are another team that was dragged kicking and screaming into a rebuild. They didn’t really start rebuilding until they missed the playoffs three seasons in a row. Which is why they’re going to bad for a long, long time. Alpha dog owners need to get it through their heads that the longer you delay a rebuild, the longer it takes.

[IceBergYYC]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

The NHL needs a relegation league

I genuinely wonder how many AHL teams could beat them in a 7 game series.

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