2023/24 No Hope Flames Rumours & Speculation Thread

[DJones]

Why are we ####ting on Coleman? Guy did more 5 on 5 than just about anyone last year. He got 4 less even strength points than Huberdeau and Lindholm. With less minutes against harder competition.

One of the few guys on forward that were worth their paycheck last year

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DJones

Why are we ####ting on Coleman? Guy did more 5 on 5 than just about anyone last year. He got 4 less even strength points than Huberdeau and Lindholm. With less minutes against harder competition.

One of the few guys on forward that were worth their paycheck last year

Plus he scored THE clutch goal versus the Oilers two years ago. It wasn't a kick.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by DJones

Why are we ####ting on Coleman? Guy did more 5 on 5 than just about anyone last year. He got 4 less even strength points than Huberdeau and Lindholm. With less minutes against harder competition.

One of the few guys on forward that were worth their paycheck last year

One thing to consider about Coleman is that he is generating his own offence. He's not getting his points leaching off stars on the PP. He's getting his points 5v5 from the bottom six and with no real support. Plus he's consistent.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by DJones

Why are we ####ting on Coleman? Guy did more 5 on 5 than just about anyone last year. He got 4 less even strength points than Huberdeau and Lindholm. With less minutes against harder competition.

One of the few guys on forward that were worth their paycheck last year

Coleman actually played more five on five and or even strength minutes than both Huberdeau and Lindholm, but your point stands. He earned his keep, and is an incredibly effective player at what he does.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

You are fooling yourself if you don't think those criticism's aren't commonly shared by nearly all of the top end offensive wingers in the game. Kucherov, Pastrnak, Ovechkin, Kane, Draisaitl, etc.. all cheat on the defensive side of the puck and receive favorable offensive deployments in order to create offense.

Do you know what the difference is however? They have/had coaches who understood their strengths and weaknesses as players instead of one that diminished their creativity and confidence by attempting to change them into player's they are not.

When you have a player with elite level offensive ability - it is actually a good idea to manage the matchups they receive and to allow them to exchange chances with the more exploitable talent(s) on the opposition side.

The need to always have to look for faults in a players game is ridiculous. That article comes off as a hit piece digging into a players season whom finished second in the league in scoring.. Is it at all necessary?

Huberdeau routinely win his matchups and has not had a negative goal differential at five on five since his second year in the NHL. We paid the man 80+ million dollars for a reason. Let him play his game.

I understand the "let him play his game" rhetoric - there's no point trying to force a 200ft game out of him that he is just no good at playing. The trouble is that he's being paid to be a difference maker in more ways than just producing based on soft matchups and off the rush.

He still could have made a huge impact on the PP last year for the Flames, but instead he might have been the number 1 reason for the awful results the team had with the man advantage. You don't often see a superstar talent look so bad when he has time and space to operate with the most talented players on the roster as Huberdeau did last year.

I'm hoping for the best in terms of a bounce back year, but even if he does flirt with 80 points, I have big concerns that his play will decline in the playoffs when he simply can't compete or play through the tough matchups.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I understand the "let him play his game" rhetoric - there's no point trying to force a 200ft game out of him that he is just no good at playing. The trouble is that he's being paid to be a difference maker in more ways than just producing based on soft matchups and off the rush.

He still could have made a huge impact on the PP last year for the Flames, but instead he might have been the number 1 reason for the awful results the team had with the man advantage. You don't often see a superstar talent look so bad when he has time and space to operate with the most talented players on the roster as Huberdeau did last year.

I'm hoping for the best in terms of a bounce back year, but even if he does flirt with 80 points, I have big concerns that his play will decline in the playoffs when he simply can't compete or play through the tough matchups.

It was incredibly clear that the team had been given a mandate not to play Huberdeau's game, even on the PP. The other forwards had clearly not practiced playing with Huberdeau as the centerpiece of the offence. How many passes to nowhere did I see Huberdeau make. Many of these were great passes directly into the slot.

The team was playing some oversimplified numbers game. The thinking was if the Flames have more possession time and get the most shots, statistically speaking they're bound to win, right? There was no consideration given to the quality of the shots....just get lots of them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I understand the "let him play his game" rhetoric - there's no point trying to force a 200ft game out of him that he is just no good at playing. The trouble is that he's being paid to be a difference maker in more ways than just producing based on soft matchups and off the rush.

He still could have made a huge impact on the PP last year for the Flames, but instead he might have been the number 1 reason for the awful results the team had with the man advantage. You don't often see a superstar talent look so bad when he has time and space to operate with the most talented players on the roster as Huberdeau did last year.

I'm hoping for the best in terms of a bounce back year, but even if he does flirt with 80 points, I have big concerns that his play will decline in the playoffs when he simply can't compete or play through the tough matchups.

Was it really Hubderdeau who brought down the offence and powerplay?

The powerplay was puzzling as Huberdeau and Lindholm looked to be isolated while a 3 man game was played by Kadri, Andersson and Toffoli.

The team was a mess, I think they have pointed to a improved powerplay and hired a guy has to date coaches a lot of successful powerplays 1 at the NHL level that didn't seem loaded with offensive talent.

You have to let offensive players play their game and make some mistakes its a risk and reward and when you get rewarded with 115 points you take it everytime.

Someone called Sutters system the most dominant in the league LOL, I am not sure having a bunch of offensive players toss pucks on net from the outside and let your goalie face 20 shots with 12 high danger scoring chances it very dominant. But hey at least we got a point for winning the corsi battle oh wait.

[GullFoss]

I don't understand why positive posters are in this thread trying to argue against our negativity. If you have a positive take, please keep it out of this thread. We don't want any of that here.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Coleman actually played more five on five and or even strength minutes than both Huberdeau and Lindholm, but your point stands. He earned his keep, and is an incredibly effective player at what he does.

That stat pretty much sums up last season. Like wtf…

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I don't understand why positive posters are in this thread trying to argue against our negativity. If you have a positive take, please keep it out of this thread. We don't want any of that here.

We should make a separate thread for people who feel differently than us so we dont get offended anymore

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[mile]

No hope you say?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1694823258674372678

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by mile

No hope you say?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1694823258674372678

Does he mean after he is traded and then facing them

Jk lol

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I don't understand why positive posters are in this thread trying to argue against our negativity. If you have a positive take, please keep it out of this thread. We don't want any of that here.

In this thread, negativity is toxic positivity, and positivity is hopeless negativity.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by mile

No hope you say?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1694823258674372678

He believes in Wolf too!

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Chonger

We should make a separate thread for people who feel differently than us so we dont get offended anymore

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We did and that's why you're here.

[Redrum]

Hopefully he's not still worried about the puck hitting him.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by blankall

Seriously.

If Huberdeau is excelling at offence, give him 70% O-Zone starts. Let him do his thing and have the multiple Selke vote receiving players on the team play the defensive role. Play players to their strengths instead of trying to put square pegs into round holes. The Flames have two of the top defensive centers in the league on the team. For whatever baffling reason, we also need Huberdeau to be a defensive forward?

We do not need a happy medium. We need players to consistently put up points.

Of course you’re going to give Huberdeau the best opportunity to put up points, my post wasn’t about that. Huby ain’t getting defensive zone starts, defensive duties, or swapping PP minutes for PK. He does, however, need to put some effort in when the puck comes back into the D zone. Like I said, top line players (at least on winning teams) need to play some sort of “passable” defense.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I don't understand why positive posters are in this thread trying to argue against our negativity. If you have a positive take, please keep it out of this thread. We don't want any of that here.

When you guys keep your over the top negative stuff out of every other thread

[Locke]

Originally Posted by mile

No hope you say?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1694823258674372678

Well the Calgary Flames ought to be worried about Jacob Markstrom...

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well the Calgary Flames ought to be worried about Jacob Markstrom...

And he ought to be worried about his job. Wolf looks good. I guess Markstrom is 33 and was likely going to be very close to retirement after his current contract ended anyways. The Flames could buy him out next off season.