[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Why would that be?

A team would be nuts to give up those assets for only one year of guaranteed Tkachuk, but even if they did offer him 10M, the Flames match and they’re pretty much at this exact spot where the arbitrator can award anywhere from 9M (minimum) to much more.

Except now if they go to arbitration it’s all about how much Tkachuk sucks because that’s how a team needs to approach arbitration and why everyone hates it.

Once again, I think the risk of an offer sheet was minimal at best.

The biggest benefit here is extra time to negotiate/find a trading partner.

The Flames will not (or should not) be letting this get to arbitration.

[cannon7]

I think I would have welcomed an offer sheet at this point...

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Isn’t this just about having more time to negotiate? What am I missing?

Or the opposite.

They had infinite time to negotiate without arbitration.

They now have a limited time to negotiate before the arbitrator awards a contract.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Or the opposite.

They had infinite time to negotiate without arbitration.

They now have a limited time to negotiate before the arbitrator awards a contract.

That's why I take it as a negative. They only do this if Tkachuk was going to sign the QO

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Isn’t this just about having more time to negotiate? What am I missing?

The fact that arbitration is on the table. Tkachuk can refuse to negotiate between now and the arbitration date, basically accepting what the arbiter awards and going to free agency. What he does get to hear is the Flames run him into the ground to try and get the arbiter go with their number. Nothing good can come from going to arbitration, but the Flames are pushing for it anyways. I'm curious how many players who go to arbitration end up signing with their team long-term?

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by rhino

Or they knew he was going to sign it and walk in a year so arbitration could award less than 9 million

Not this arbitration.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Or the opposite.

They had infinite time to negotiate without arbitration.

They now have a limited time to negotiate before the arbitrator awards a contract.

That is not true.

If Tkachuk accepted the qualifying offer, there is no more time negotiate. It would have been done would be signed to a one year contract.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Or the opposite.

They had infinite time to negotiate without arbitration.

They now have a limited time to negotiate before the arbitrator awards a contract.

This seems like the flames taking back control of the situation. Setting a deadline that they in some ways control. And as said earlier, it eliminates the potential of a holdout by the player (which is definitely in tkachuks playbook)

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Tkachuk’s camp could do nothing and he’ll be awarded 9M by the arbitrator. Literally not show up.

According to the arbitration rules he has to show up. He also is required to submit a brief to the arbitrator. So he does have to make some minimal effort at negotiating.

I suppose he could just submit a paper napkin with ‘Whatevs’ scrawled on it in yellow crayon, but that would not look good on him or his agent.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Not this arbitration.

What do you mean. Tkachuk could have signed his QO this Friday

[Nelson]

I believe Tkachuk intentionally set up the last contract so he could take a 1-year QO and walk to UFA. I also believe the purpose of this move is to prevent Tkachuk from doing that. Unfortunately, I think this move suggests the Flames are having little success convincing Tkachuk to stick around. Tkachuk doesn’t want to be here. Trade him.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That is not true.

If Tkachuk accepted the qualifying offer, there is no more time negotiate.

If the person accepts a deal they can’t negotiate is true all the time.

But there was also nothing preventing the Flames from offering Tkachuk 9M/year in perpetuity until the season starts either while they negotiated in good faith on a longer term contract.

So if Tkachuk was going to accept the QO, yes it increases negotiation period. If he wasn’t, it limits it from infinity to a couple weeks. But if he was going to accept it, he could have accepted it yesterday too.

[neo45]

The flames literally can’t offer less than 9 mil so there won’t be any running him into the ground in the arbitration case

The risk here is what comparable cases are there? Tkachuk just scored 104 points. Arbitration award could be big

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Bonded

What do you mean. Tkachuk could have signed his QO this Friday

The part about being awarded less than 9M is not correct in his statement.

It’s 9M or more if the arbitrator awards the one year contract.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The fact that arbitration is on the table. Tkachuk can refuse to negotiate between now and the arbitration date, basically accepting what the arbiter awards and going to free agency. What he does get to hear is the Flames run him into the ground to try and get the arbiter go with their number. Nothing good can come from going to arbitration, but the Flames are pushing for it anyways. I'm curious how many players who go to arbitration end up signing with their team long-term?

They’ve basically given him a deadline to agree or have a contract forced on him followed, no doubt, by a trade. Basically what you advocated for Gaudreau.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

If the person accepts a deal they can’t negotiate is true all the time.

But there was also nothing preventing the Flames from offering Tkachuk 9M/year in perpetuity until the season starts either while they negotiated in good faith on a longer term contract.

So if Tkachuk was going to accept the QO, yes it increases negotiation period. If he wasn’t, it limits it from infinity to a couple weeks.

I'm confused about what you're saying. You know that Tkachuk wasn't going to accept his QO?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I believe Tkachuk intentionally set up the last contract so he could take a 1-year QO and walk to UFA. I also believe the purpose of this move is to prevent Tkachuk from doing that. Unfortunately, I think this move suggests the Flames are having little success convincing Tkachuk to stick around. Tkachuk doesn’t want to be here. Trade him.

The Tkachuk contract was signed by a number of other players that summer as well

Brayden Point - subsequently signed an 8 year deal
Zach Werenski - subsequently signed a 6 year deal
Charlie McAvoy - subsequently signed a 8 year deal.

The Flames are the only ones who signed that 3 year contract that summer with a prominent RFA who have been unable to subsequently ink a long term deal with the player.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Isn’t this just about having more time to negotiate? What am I missing?

Uhh the panic? What else is there besides doom and gloom the end is nigh?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by neo45

The flames literally can’t offer less than 9 mil so there won’t be any running him into the ground in the arbitration case

The risk here is what comparable cases are there? Tkachuk just scored 104 points. Arbitration award could be big

Could be but it’s less than 115 which gets you 9.75. Arbitrators take more than one year into account though, so the range is going to be small.

[Flamesfan05]

More time to trade him

They are afraid he would accept his QO and go UFA this week
They are correct

I see trading him or magically win arbitration is the only winning solution