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dino7c · 09-22-2021, 01:38 PM

I expected him to say he didn't believe in the players

Hot_Flatus · 09-22-2021, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Trees tenure ends when Sutter stops coaching the team. This is the last dance for Tree.

That kind of implies that he's had some iota of success as the GM. You can't really have a last dance without achieving anything over 7 seasons.

Maybe this is better phrased as the last dump for Tre?

FlamesAddiction · 09-22-2021, 01:45 PM

The only extent I hold Treliving accountable for not being able to extend Tkachuk and Gaudreau is that if he had built a contender, those players would be more easily persuaded to sign.

At this point, they have no reason to want to stay long term and he can't force them to. I doubt that he is playing hardball with them. They likely just don't want to sign on, and I can't blame them for that. I don't think it has anything to do with him not believing in them.

Knightslayer · 09-22-2021, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

"Goal is to get into the playoffs, anything can happen once you get into the dance"

Thats this franchise summed up no doubt.

Set the bar low right from the start.

No wonder they are the kings of mediocrity.

That is the goal of every team.

Roof-Daddy · 09-22-2021, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Knightslayer

That is the goal of every team.

Wrong. The goal is to win the Stanley Cup, or at least it should be.

The main goal should be to build a legit sustainable contender that is good enough to battle for 1st overall. For those teams making the playoffs is a given, and winning a Stanley Cup is a much more likely occurrence.

When you're not good enough to be a contender then making the playoffs becomes the goal, and winning a Stanley Cup is almost nil.

dino7c · 09-22-2021, 02:01 PM

Every GM is saying make the playoffs today

its not a given these days...good teams miss every season

Knightslayer · 09-22-2021, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Wrong. The goal is to win the Stanley Cup, or at least it should be.

The main goal should be to build a legit sustainable contender that is good enough to battle for 1st overall. For those teams making the playoffs is a given, and winning a Stanley Cup is a much more likely occurrence.

When you're not good enough to be a contender then making the playoffs becomes the goal, and winning a Stanley Cup is almost nil.

You need to make the playoffs before you win the Stanley cup.

Ask Darryl Sutter at game 70 his first season in LA if he was thinking about the Stanley Cup or if he was worried about the last 12 games.

Roof-Daddy · 09-22-2021, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Knightslayer

You need to make the playoffs before you win the Stanley cup.

Ask Darryl Sutter at game 70 his first season in LA if he was thinking about the Stanley Cup or if he was worried about the last 12 games.

Trying to squeak into the playoffs as an inferior team and hoping to make a miracle run is a losers mentality. That's a goal set by weaker teams with almost no chance at winning a cup and it's pathetic and exactly in line with the Flames and what I've ben watching them do for 30+ years. Which is why I made my original comment that you quoted.

Patek23 · 09-22-2021, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

I'd be more than willing to bet if the team starts poorly, Treliving gets the axe and Darryl stays put for the duration of his contract.

That would be the most Flames thing to do IMO. Rather then get the inevitable new GM in with a full off season too make moves and change things up. We'll ride out Trelivings disaster for the first couple months. The roster will again prove inadequate and well suffer a wasted season again with a new GM coming in mid season.

dino7c · 09-22-2021, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Trying to squeak into the playoffs as an inferior team and hoping to make a miracle run is a losers mentality. That's a goal set by weaker teams with almost no chance at winning a cup and it's pathetic and exactly in line with the Flames and what I've ben watching them do for 30+ years. Which is why I made my original comment that you quoted.

IDK I watched them barely make the playoffs and win the stanley cup with this coach (lets be real they did)

He did it with another team 2x after that

You gotta actually make it first though and the higher you finish the better

transplant99 · 09-22-2021, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by VilleN

That isn't true. Sutter is signed for 3 years, lets say the Flames perform well in those 3 years and Sutter decides he wants to retire... does Tre get fired in this scenario? The coach is irrelevant, his fate is tied to the team not the coach. Not sure why you think otherwise.

2 now....this year and next.

Same with BT.

They are tied together if only for that reason.

Roof-Daddy · 09-22-2021, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

IDK I watched them barely make the playoffs and win the stanley cup with this coach (lets be real they did)

He did it with another team 2x after that

You gotta actually make it first though and the higher you finish the better

I know, it's about the only giving me any hope right now. They got Sutter, and then they added a bunch of Sutter style lunch pail type guys to round out the roster. Hopefully it works this season and we buck the odds.

mrdonkey · 09-22-2021, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Every GM is saying make the playoffs today

its not a given these days...good teams miss every season

Sure, sometimes good teams have a disappointing year. The example people love to trot out is Tampa getting swept by the BJs.

That’s a totally different kettle of fish from where the Flames are. They’re setting the bar at just making the playoffs because they know that the zenith of their potential is to squeak in and maybe steal a round against an equally poor team, like they did that one time six years ago.

Complete loser mentality as usual, rinse and repeat.

Hot_Flatus · 09-22-2021, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

IDK I watched them barely make the playoffs and win the stanley cup with this coach (lets be real they did)

He did it with another team 2x after that

You gotta actually make it first though and the higher you finish the better

You're talking about a handful of results of moderate success in the entire NHL via this method in the last 25-30 seasons. The Flames have proven time and time again that they rarely get in and go on a run, and more often than not get taken to the woodshed or fail to qualify altogether.

This is more loser rhetoric from a GM with a pattern of putting a losing product on the ice. This guys is cooked and best to be put out to pasture before he costs the franchise more years of untenable mediocrity.

PepsiFree · 09-22-2021, 02:53 PM

Admittedly, I did not have “the goal is to make the playoffs” as the next thing that would trigger people on CP. But truly I should have known.

Moneyhands23 · 09-22-2021, 02:56 PM

It's so weird how anyone can defend BT and his time as Gm.

He has been the architect of the team for 7 years (I think). He has no positive results during that time. Team has failed to be relevant during his time in Calgary.

Burning Beard · 09-22-2021, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Admittedly, I did not have “the goal is to make the playoffs” as the next thing that would trigger people on CP. But truly I should have known.

Hahaha yeah I was just sitting here wondering what the blood pressure is like for a couple of posters on here.

Sec214 · 09-22-2021, 02:57 PM

Tre of Life is Perfect.

Geeoff · 09-22-2021, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

First round exit, swept - I believe in these players!
No playoffs - I believe in these players!
First round exit, stomped - I believe in these players!
First round exit, bullied by Dallas - I believe in these players!
No playoffs, in a #### 7 team division - I believe in these players!

Must be rocking Journey in his office all day.

At least Tre has good taste in music

SuperMatt18 · 09-22-2021, 02:59 PM

I think people read too much into these comments. Sure the goal is to win the cup, but the immediate goal is to make the playoffs.

Every team is going to say that going into the season. Especially for a team that isn't rebuilding and want to be in the playoffs.

People underestimate how tight the NHL is too. Look at the Western Conference over the last three seasons:

1) Colorado - .635
2) Vegas - .624
3) St.Louis - .612
4) Nashville - .585
5) Calgary - .579
6) Winnipeg - .579
7) Dallas - .568
8) Minnesota - .568
9) Edmonton - .560
10) Arizona - .514

You have Colorado and Vegas...and then what's a pretty big group of teams in the middle. With the way people talked on here you'd think the Flames were one of the worst teams in the conference, but really we are in that tight grouping between 3rd and 9th.