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[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

There’s nothing more annoying than the Monahan was injured debate (every season). Injured just enough to forgive his poor play but not enough to sit him out so year after year he grinds away with long stretches of poor performance.

If he is injured sit him out, let him rest and heal. If he isn’t, play him. Why is this so hard for the Flames?

Exactly

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

There’s nothing more annoying than the Monahan was injured debate (every season). Injured just enough to forgive his poor play but not enough to sit him out so year after year he grinds away with long stretches of poor performance.

If he is injured sit him out, let him rest and heal. If he isn’t, play him. Why is this so hard for the Flames?

This is the crux of the matter. He is always injured. That stuff is going to catch up to him at some point.

I get the bad feeling that when those injuries come home to roost and he 'loses a step or two' his play is going to fall off a cliff.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

There’s nothing more annoying than the Monahan was injured debate (every season). Injured just enough to forgive his poor play but not enough to sit him out so year after year he grinds away with long stretches of poor performance.

If he is injured sit him out, let him rest and heal. If he isn’t, play him. Why is this so hard for the Flames?

It's a byproduct of mediocrity.

If the Flames were awful, they could give up and just sit up to let him recover.
If they were contenders, same thing. Wait for the playoffs.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That’s a terrible team.

Disagree. That's a team that would give the Flames fits. Good skill throughout the lineup and has size. We know how much the Flames like playing teams with size. Good depth at each position. Based on the division they are in I would call that team a playoff team.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Do they HAVE to take an Oiler?

If I were them I would take Klefbom. Sure, he might not ever play again so he just sits on LTIR but if he can return that is the best piece you could get from them.

[868904]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If I were them I would take Klefbom. Sure, he might not ever play again so he just sits on LTIR but if he can return that is the best piece you could get from them.

Good call. Plus could they trade Klefbom to a contender near the cap to use to exceed the cap and maybe utilize him in the playoffs when healthy?

Would that also screw the Oilers and their plans to weaponize LTIR?

[Geeoff]

Seattle looking good. Lol at Nashville only protecting 3 forwards

[stang]

Originally Posted by 868904

Would that also screw the Oilers and their plans to weaponize LTIR?

No it wouldn’t.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by BagoPucks

Surprised to see Ovie not protected. Curious to see what happens there.

He pretty much gets to choose where he wants to play. I read somewhere a day or two ago that he has talked about signing in Russia if contact negotiations don't go well in Washington.

If he doesn't want to go to Seattle then he'll just sign in Russia. He is UFA and can choose not to sign in Seattle in favour of another NHL team too on July 28. It's probably Eastern team or Russia with Washington being #1, #2 and #3 on his top 3 NHL destinations.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Johansen is terrible with a horrible cap hit.

I could see Johansen having a resurgent on a different team that doesn’t prioritize defence near as much. He’s always struck me as more of an offensive player than a defence first one

[Roof-Daddy]

Hopefully the Flames get their crap together under Sutter.

It's not going to be fun getting dummied by two expansion teams when we were supposed to be at the apex of our rebuild, especially when the newest one is potentially going to be led by our former captain.

Seattle is going to be very good IMO. Especially if they can entice a couple key free agents to sign with them, like Hamilton for example.

[ricardodw]

These protected lists show how far behind the rest of the league the Flames are in Depth players.

There are no extra players beyond a 38 year old 6.75 cap dump... (recently found out that a cap dump of that size is worth a couple of 2nds.)

Every other team has 2-3 guys that they would like to protect and would likely get chosen before Gio if the Kraken had the option.

Where would Dube and Backlund be in a raw ranking of players available?

Pittsburgh: Marino, Petterson, Zucker and Brandon Tanev

There are very few teams that have only one option for the Kraken to pick and has a 6.75 cap hit

Further, the only not eligible guy that has NHL experience on the Flames that would be of interest is Valimaki.

Almost everyone else has guys on their ELC playing prominent roles in the NHL that did not need to be protected.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Lol @ The Oilers protecting Kassian

[Wood]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

These protected lists show how far behind the rest of the league the Flames are in Depth players.

There are no extra players beyond a 38 year old 6.75 cap dump... (recently found out that a cap dump of that size is worth a couple of 2nds.)

Every other team has 2-3 guys that they would like to protect and would likely get chosen before Gio if the Kraken had the option.

Where would Dube and Backlund be in a raw ranking of players available?

Pittsburgh: Marino, Petterson, Zucker and Brandon Tanev

There are very few teams that have only one option for the Kraken to pick and has a 6.75 cap hit

Further, the only not eligible guy that has NHL experience on the Flames that would be of interest is Valimaki.

Almost everyone else has guys on their ELC playing prominent roles in the NHL that did not need to be protected.

I can't believe I'm even replying to you, but if you're going to compare the Ladd deal to what Gio is worth you lose all credibility

[868904]

Originally Posted by calculoso

I could see Johansen having a resurgent on a different team that doesn’t prioritize defence near as much. He’s always struck me as more of an offensive player than a defence first one

I don't think it's an issue of style for him. It's all about motivation. He shows up for the playoffs.

He's an interesting player. Everything you want in a top centre, size, speed, skill.

I also don't think that Nashville is a particularly good place to play for players who lack maturity and motivation, there seems to be a lot of distractions there.

He had pretty good seasons under a hard ass type coach in Laviolette, so I do wonder if he'd be a good fit for the Flames.

If the Preds could eat some salary and/or add to a deal, I wonder if a Monahan-Ryjo "change of scenery" trade might help both teams and players.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Lol @ The Oilers protecting Kassian

You'd think they'd be praying someone would take that contract.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Jason Zucker-Ryan Johansen-Jordan Eberle
Jared McCann-JT Compher-Mason Appleton
Kyle Clifford-Vladislav Namestnikov-Jake Virtanen
Garnet Hathaway-Jujhar Khaira-Julien Gauthier
Matt Nieto-Kevin Stenlund

Shayne Gostisbehere-Colin Miller
Nikita Zadorov-Radko Gudas
Brett Kulak-Ilya Lyubuskin
Hayden Fleury-Cal Foote
Will Butcher-Jeremy Lauzon
Jake Bean-Oliver Kylington

Ben Bishop
Jonathan Quick
Kaapo Kahkonen
Filip Gustavsson

That's a pretty decent lineup without even dipping into free agency or making a trade. Lots of flexibility on the backend to make some deals and recoup some players/picks.

Wow, I’m not even sure I’d take five of those players. My selections are very very different.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by 868904

I don't think it's an issue of style for him. It's all about motivation. He shows up for the playoffs.

He's an interesting player. Everything you want in a top centre, size, speed, skill.

I also don't think that Nashville is a particularly good place to play for players who lack maturity and motivation, there seems to be a lot of distractions there.

He had pretty good seasons under a hard ass type coach in Laviolette, so I do wonder if he'd be a good fit for the Flames.

If the Preds could eat some salary and/or add to a deal, I wonder if a Monahan-Ryjo "change of scenery" trade might help both teams and players.

Johansen has scored under 15 goals in 9 of his 11 seasons

Monahan started his career averaging 28 goals in his first 7 seasons with 22 being his lowest output. This season was the first time Monahan hasn't scored at least 22

I know there's more than just goals, but if Johansen is the return for Monahan I'd much rather hope he can bounce back and keep him

[FanIn80]

Question: Is Seattle allowed to speak with and/or negotiate with any of the unprotected players prior to their draft?

Like, can they negotiate with Hamilton before deciding who they're picking from CAR (for example)?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Wow, I’m not even sure I’d take five of those players. My selections are very very different.

Post them. Let's talk about them.