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dissentowner · 05-16-2021, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

While you may be correct, there is no real evidence that TB has been dishonest.

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Except for the fact Kucherov was in a full contact practice jersey months ago taking full practice. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

Scroopy Noopers · 05-17-2021, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Except for the fact Kucherov was in a full contact practice jersey months ago taking full practice. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

Months?

I’m finding May 4th as when he was cleared for contact.

dissentowner · 05-17-2021, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Months?

I’m finding May 4th as when he was cleared for contact.

This article came out April 21st. Kucherov was already practicing for a month at that time. I don't care what doctors who are employed by the NHL club that is circumventing the cap say. Why wouldn't they say what the team who is paying them handsomely want them to?
https://thehockeywriters.com/lightni...cherov-return/

Cali Panthers Fan · 05-17-2021, 06:47 AM

Even in the game last night the broadcast was talking about how Kucherov's return date was "set" so he could take his time in his recovery. They literally said "well he wouldn't be able to return until the playoffs started because of the cap, but it allowed them to use his LTIR money to go out and get David Savard to round out their defense".

They literally described a situation where Kucherov may have been able to return earlier, but for cap reasons he simply didn't. They used his money to field a better team. It's an open and shut case of cap circumvention for playoff purposes. It's ridiculous and the league needs to either create a rule going forward in the next CBA, or simply punish them for obvious cap circumvention.

Sure, if he literally wasn't healthy enough until day 1 of the playoffs, I could give it a pass, but he could have played in the regular season and didn't because their cap simply wouldn't allow for it, so he magically stayed on LTIR until the regular season was over.

It's bush league and embarrassing for a pro sport to not attempt to enforce their own rules.

Scroopy Noopers · 05-17-2021, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

This article came out April 21st. Kucherov was already practicing for a month at that time. I don't care what doctors who are employed by the NHL club that is circumventing the cap say. Why wouldn't they say what the team who is paying them handsomely want them to?
https://thehockeywriters.com/lightni...cherov-return/

So, not taking contact. Just clarifying what actually occurred. You said he’s been in full contact for months. This says he’s in practice (no mention of taking contact), and other sources say he was cleared for contact May 4.

This article also says this:

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Rushing Kucherov back is also something the Lightning aren’t likely to do under any circumstance. He had hip surgery. The hip is arguably the most important body part of an elite hockey player. For a full recovery from this surgery, a minimum of five to six months is necessary. On May 30, Kuch will hit the five-month mark.

I’ve said and will say again, I agree that something needs to be done about LTIR and playoff rosters not opening up the ability to add players when a star is down. But, this is recovery from a surgery, and he took the recommended recovery time… I don’t see a case here at all. As annoying and blatant as it feels.

flambers · 05-17-2021, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

So, not taking contact. Just clarifying what actually occurred. You said he’s been in full contact for months. This says he’s in practice (no mention of taking contact), and other sources say he was cleared for contact May 4.

This article also says this:

I’ve said and will say again, I agree that something needs to be done about LTIR and playoff rosters not opening up the ability to add players when a star is down. But, this is recovery from a surgery, and he took the recommended recovery time… I don’t see a case here at all. As annoying and blatant as it feels.

Nah, I think it's way more likely the lighting had absolutely no way of placing him in the lineup and making cap.

Therefore the earliest he could play was when the season ended

dissentowner · 05-17-2021, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

So, not taking contact. Just clarifying what actually occurred. You said he’s been in full contact for months. This says he’s in practice (no mention of taking contact), and other sources say he was cleared for contact May 4.

This article also says this:

I’ve said and will say again, I agree that something needs to be done about LTIR and playoff rosters not opening up the ability to add players when a star is down. But, this is recovery from a surgery, and he took the recommended recovery time… I don’t see a case here at all. As annoying and blatant as it feels.

I said he was in a full contact practice jersey which he was. I didn't say he was taking contact.

Scroopy Noopers · 05-17-2021, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

I said he was in a full contact practice jersey which he was. I didn't say he was taking contact.

Oh my apologies for thinking that implied he was taking contact…….

Scooter · 05-17-2021, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

^Quadruple post score!

You know multiquote is a feature, yeah?

As for this debacle, yeah, as soon as Kucherov was practicing this should have been investigated by independent doctors hired by the NHL. The fact that it wasn't seems to be a big shrug to the whole situation because the NHL loves having powerhouse teams and dynasties. Don't tell me the Blues winning was in their marketing plans, especially with no true superstar to pimp from that team.

If Kucherov was healthy 2 months ago, his salary would have counted against the cap because he was able to play in the regular season, and that would have meant there's no chance of acquiring David Savard, and they probably have to lose another player to be cap compliant this year. As it stands, the team has extra high priced forwards that no other team in the league has. That's an unequal playing field, and it's antithetical to the reasons for having a cap.

#### this ####.

Let's go Panthers.

Well it's
one thing the Flames will never have to think about doing as their 2 extra high priced forwards are nowhere near the difference makers in big games.

ForeverFlameFan · 05-17-2021, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Scooter

Well it's
one thing the Flames will never have to think about doing as their 2 extra high priced forwards are nowhere near the difference makers in big games.

So let’s not write a rule in because it’ll never affect the Flames? Okay

jayswin · 05-17-2021, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Has anyone even tried to look at the facts of the other side?

People here seem very made up in their mind without actually looking into it.

Well luckily we're on a message board, so you're able to post some facts from the other side. What did you find?

Macman · 05-17-2021, 10:11 AM

Well, it doesn't look good on either Stamkos or Kucherov that they would knowingly and willingly sit out when they're healthy so I'll give them the benefit of a doubt.
Kucherov had hip surgery so that's a real injury and Stamkos has been struggling with injuries.

Maybe that's what the Flames need to do with Monahan, let the guy heal up proper.

Stud_McCool · 05-17-2021, 10:13 AM

I don't blame Tampa for circumventing the cap. I blame the league for allowing Tampa to circumvent the cap.

Robbob · 05-17-2021, 10:18 AM

I know it looks shady, but when players get put on LTIR the NHL does do some due diligence. I remember that when Warner was put on LTIR back in the day he said that he was looked over by the NHL doctors.

Joborule · 05-17-2021, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

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It's ridiculous and the league needs to either create a rule going forward in the next CBA, or simply punish them for obvious cap circumvention.

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Would this be something they would need to wait until the next CBA to implement? Since playoff hockey is kinda free hockey (thus cap not being in place to allow this), couldn't the NHL owners just decide next year this is a thing now?

squiggs96 · 05-17-2021, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Scooter

Well it's
one thing the Flames will never have to think about doing as their 2 extra high priced forwards are nowhere near the difference makers in big games.

Oling_Roachinen · 05-17-2021, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

So currently the Panthers are being punished for cap circumvention that they didn't do (while also being an internal cap team), and the Lightning are blatantly circumventing the cap in order to field a championship team.

Boo hoo. The Panthers aren't being punished because they traded for Luongo knowing the rules.

GioforPM · 05-17-2021, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Stud_McCool

I don't blame Tampa for circumventing the cap. I blame the league for allowing Tampa to circumvent the cap.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Wolfman · 05-17-2021, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Philly06Cup · 05-17-2021, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jayswin

Well luckily we're on a message board, so you're able to post some facts from the other side. What did you find?

I'm saying people should educate themselves before getting their pitchforks. This holds true for non-hockey issues as well. It's a growing concern in our society. Outrage is a hell of a drug.