[Rumour] Dreger: Flames using Sam Bennett as bait to get back into the 1st round

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Poison

I guess my sarcasm didnt spill through enough for you to pick up on.

You were trying to use that sarcasm as if it were a valid point in favour of your argument.

I repeat: If Bennett is as bad as you say, he's worth nothing in a trade. So why bother getting rid of him?

[dieHARDflameZ]

Are people actually suggesting trading Bennett for a second or third rounder? Good lord.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Deegee

How many disappointing seasons from Bennett until Flames try to move on?

What do you think you get now compared to what you get if he doesn't progress in the next season? What about two seasons?

I just don't see it from him. I hope I am wrong.

How many disappointing insider tweets from Dreger until TSN tries to move on?

I just don’t see insider from him. I don’t care if I am wrong.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Poison

Hes young, thats worth something to teams.

If it's worth nothing to the Flames, why is it worth anything to anyone else?

Many also love those reclamation or finding that potential projects.

You've just been ridiculing everyone who suggests keeping Bennett on the team because, in effect, he's a reclamation project that can't possibly work out.

That should garner a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

So, you're assuming not only that Brad Treliving is an idiot, but that enough other GMs are idiots to pay good assets for his garbage. I see.

[Poison]

I said 2nd or 3rd.
You are cutting and pasting parts of my argument to suit yourself.
I also said many trades have happened in the past with gms thinking they can get the potential out of a past high draft pick and pay for it.
So maybe next time take my whole argument into account before trying to attack my position.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Are people actually suggesting trading Bennett for a second or third rounder? Good lord.

But it's what he is worth!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Poison

I said 2nd or 3rd.
You are cutting and pasting parts of my argument to suit yourself.
I also said many trades have happened in the past with gms thinking they can get the potential out of a past high draft pick and pay for it.
So maybe next time take my whole argument into account before trying to attack my.position.

No, I have taken your whole argument into account. It is that Bennett is garbage and worth nothing to the Flames, but some other team is magically going to give up assets to acquire this piece of garbage.

I repeat, you can't have it both ways. If he has no value as a player, he has no value in a trade.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I have taken your whole argument into account. It is that Bennett is garbage and worth nothing to the Flames, but some other team is magically going to give up assets to acquire this piece of garbage.

I repeat, you can't have it both ways. If he has no value as a player, he has no value in a trade.

Pssssssst....his words are poision

[Poison]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

If it's worth nothing to the Flames, why is it worth anything to anyone else?



You've just been ridiculing everyone who suggests keeping Bennett on the team because, in effect, he's a reclamation project that can't possibly work out.



So, you're assuming not only that Brad Treliving is an idiot, but that enough other GMs are idiots to pay good assets for his garbage. I see.

You're right. No trades have ever been made in this exact scenario. You've enlightened me.

[djsFlames]

Oh wow this is a 'nope' thread.

[bubbsy]

Bennett was 2nd on the flames in high scoring chances if i remembered correctly.

If we didn't have a dumb coaching staff who had no idea how to shuffle up a struggling line up he'd probably have 15 to 20 goals last year.

Glen Gulutzan is an idiot coach. Nuff said.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

How many disappointing insider tweets from Dreger until TSN tries to move on?

I just don’t see insider from him. I don’t care if I am wrong.

Dreger is such an outsider. At least he breaks his obvious news a full day ahead of the king of outsiders- Nick Kypreos.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Bennett was 2nd on the flames in high scoring chances if i remembered correctly.

If we didn't have a dumb coaching staff who had no idea how to shuffle up a struggling line up he'd probably have 15 to 20 goals last year.

Glen Gulutzan is an idiot coach. Nuff said.

GG is an idiot. He should have buried all those high scoring chances for Sam. Shame on him.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Poison

GG is an idiot. He should have buried all those high scoring chances for Sam. Shame on him.

Other teams play high skill players with other high skill players to develop their game at the nhl level.

Please go review Bennett's linemates and role over the last 2 seasons.

Flames are not a very smart organization in my view. The handling of Bennett is just another example. He needed a development program, the flames did nothing.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Other teams play high skill players with other high skill players to develop their game at the nhl level.

Please go review Bennett's linemates and role over the last 2 seasons.

Flames are not a very smart organization in my view. The handling of Bennett is just another example. He needed a development program, the flames did nothing.

So after his rookie year when he put up good numbers they just decided to stick him with plugs?
Thats how that played out? Okay then.
Highly skilled players make others around them better not the other way around.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Poison

So after his rookie year when he put up good numbers they just decided to stick him with plugs?
Thats how that played out? Okay then.

Yes. That is exactly how it played out.

Gulutzan is stupid and hence demoted to a assistant coach and will never head coach in this league again. Incompetent.

[dino7c]

66% of the guys drafted tonight will play 164 NHL games

Ninja edit I got this from an SI article...

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Poison

So after his rookie year when he put up good numbers they just decided to stick him with plugs?
Thats how that played out? Okay then.
Highly skilled players make others around them better not the other way around.

Yes, that's exactly what they did.

Also, no good organizations ask their young players to carry lines by themselves the way the Flames asked Bennett to. They gave him nothing to play with in his 2nd year - nothing. In his 2nd year, they started him with nothing and then gave him a 45 year old winger and a rookie centre, followed by a rookie centre and an AHL grinder.

Meh, I've had this debate before numerous times and thrown up plenty of reasons why we should be optimistic about Bennett going forward, but whatever - enjoy your negativity.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yes, that's exactly what they did.

Also, no good organizations ask their young players to carry lines by themselves the way the Flames asked Bennett to. They gave him nothing to play with in his 2nd year - nothing. In his 2nd year, they started him with nothing and then gave him a 45 year old winger and a rookie centre, followed by a rookie centre and an AHL grinder.

Meh, I've had this debate before numerous times and thrown up plenty of reasons why we should be optimistic about Bennett going forward, but whatever - enjoy your negativity.

I will. Dont let me take away from your positivity when year after year there is no reason for it.
Put the blame where it needs to be; past coaches and not good enough linemates.
My apologies Sam, none of this is your fault.
Lol.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Poison

So after his rookie year when he put up good numbers they just decided to stick him with plugs?
Thats how that played out? Okay then.
Highly skilled players make others around them better not the other way around.

Originally Posted by Poison

I will. Dont let me take away from your positivity when year after year there is no reason for it.
Put the blame where it needs to be; past coaches and not good enough linemates.
My apologies Sam, none of this is your fault.
Lol.

Yes, lets blame the 21 year ild prospect who has had the honour of learning from Brouwer, Hathaway, a rookie C, in the past 2 years. Wish we had Draisaitl instead.... Who were his linemates the past few years btw???