[Rumour] Flames aggressively trying to move up. UPD: Treliving and Kekelainen meeting on floor

[Atodaso]

In regards to acquiring Hartnell, could Calgary adequately absorb his contract while still trying to sign Johnny and Mony and pay for a goalie?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

It's all about the process.

Exactly, he is doing his due diligence, which every GM should theoretically be.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Atodaso

In regards to acquiring Hartnell, could Calgary adequately absorb his contract while still trying to sign Johnny and Mony and pay for a goalie?

I think it is possible as long as we move some salary in a deal for either Hartnell or a goalie. If it is Reimer (I think he will be the only UFA goalie to get any decent money) and little to no salary moving for Hartnell, I think it is very unlikely.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

It's all about the process.

It's the implication...

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Atodaso

In regards to acquiring Hartnell, could Calgary adequately absorb his contract while still trying to sign Johnny and Mony and pay for a goalie?

Well, let's see...

Assuming deal of Colborne, 6th, 35th, 56th for Hartnell, 3rd
Assuming escalator used
Guessing on re-signing's

1. Gaudreau ($6,750,000) - Monahan ($6,250,000) - Hartnell ($4,750,000)
2. M. Stajan ($3,125,000) - Backlund ($3,575,000) - Frolik ($4,300,000)
3. Raymond ($3,150,000) - Bennett ($925,000) - Puljujarvi ($925,000)
4. L. Bouma ($2,200,000) - D Grant ($800,000) - Ferland ($825,000)
Extra - Bollig ($1,250,000) - Hathaway ($690,000)

1. Giordano ($6,750,000) - Hamilton ($5,750,000)
2. TJ Brodie ($4,650,400) - Wideman ($5,250,000)
3. Jokipakka ($900,000) - Engelland ($2,916,667)
Extra - Wotherspoon ($900,000)

1. Reimer ($4,000,000)
2. Ortio ($800,000)

Salary Cap - $73,000,000
Total Salary - $71,432,067
Cap Space - $1,567,933

*With Smid on LTIR

Workable IMO, and if BT can move Wideman without taking much salary back then there is lots of room for Hartnell and a goalie. This is also without buying out Raymond, if that's even a consideration.

[Enoch Root]

I have had a feeling for the last couple days that Treliving is going to convince Monahan and Gaudreau to accept bridge deals.

2 years, $4M AAV each. Book it.

Treliving convinces them that, if they are patient for 2 years, they'll get paid more and the team will be healthier.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I have had a feeling for the last couple days that Treliving is going to convince Monahan and Gaudreau to accept bridge deals.

2 years, $4M AAV each. Book it.

Treliving convinces them that, if they are patient for 2 years, they'll get paid more and the team will be healthier.

This would put us in a bad cap situation when we're actually ready to contend for the cup.

Plus, there's no way they only sign for 4 million at any length. Their performance dictates much more than there no matter how you look at it.

But whether it's Smid in the LTIR, Wideman traded, Raymond bought out, etc. the Flames do have options for now.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I have had a feeling for the last couple days that Treliving is going to convince Monahan and Gaudreau to accept bridge deals.

2 years, $4M AAV each. Book it.

Treliving convinces them that, if they are patient for 2 years, they'll get paid more and the team will be healthier.

This seems like a terrible idea for the Flames.

In this situation, I'll be disappointed by anything shorter than the max (8 years). I'll hope for 8, but I'll predict 6 for Johnny, 7 for Monahan.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I have had a feeling for the last couple days that Treliving is going to convince Monahan and Gaudreau to accept bridge deals.

2 years, $4M AAV each. Book it.

Treliving convinces them that, if they are patient for 2 years, they'll get paid more and the team will be healthier.

Would they still be RFAs at the end of the bridge contracts?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This seems like a terrible idea for the Flames.

In this situation, I'll be disappointed by anything shorter than the max (8 years). I'll hope for 8, but I'll predict 6 for Johnny, 7 for Monahan.

8 is a long time to tie your wagon to the same horses these days, regardless who they are. I'd be disappointed in bridge deals, but what, from a Flames perspective makes you want 8 year deals? I've seen nothing (yet) in the NHL that leads me to believe that an 8 year cycle with the same core can win consistently. I guess maybe Chicago has a shot, time will tell.

[FiveSeven]

You can still trade them with 1-3 years left on their contracts. More positives to a longer deal then a shorter one.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

8 is a long time to tie your wagon to the same horses these days, regardless who they are. I'd be disappointed in bridge deals, but what, from a Flames perspective makes you want 8 year deals? I've seen nothing (yet) in the NHL that leads me to believe that an 8 year cycle with the same core can win consistently. I guess maybe Chicago has a shot, time will tell.

Almost any player worth a damn signs for 6+ years these days. If it's time to move on you trade them rather then let them walk as free agents.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by heep223

Would they still be RFAs at the end of the bridge contracts?

yes

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Almost any player worth a damn signs for 6+ years these days. If it's time to move on you trade them rather then let them walk as free agents.

I agree, and yes, it is possible to move them if you need to change direction, depending on just how friendly the term is and reasons for wanting to change direction.

I just found it a very strange comment to declare failure to get 8 years a disappointment. Why would 6 or 5 be bad for example? Seems like a very strange thing to be locked in on. 8 years is an eternity in hockey terms, how do we know at this point that locking these two in for the bulk of a decade is the smart bet at this point? And I really really like these two players for the record.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I agree, and yes, it is possible to move them if you need to change direction, depending on just how friendly the term is and reasons for wanting to change direction.

I just found it a very strange comment to declare failure to get 8 years a disappointment. Why would 6 or 5 be bad for example? Seems like a very strange thing to be locked in on. 8 years is an eternity in hockey terms, how do we know at this point that locking these two in for the bulk of a decade is the smart bet at this point? And I really really like these two players for the record.

I can't speak for that poster but IMO you need to go short or long with these two. It makes no sense signing them to a contract of 5 or 6 years because it would leave Monahan a UFA at 26/27 and Gaudreau one at 27/28. At least if you go 8 years you tie up their prime years, not let them leave in the middle of them.

[Par]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I love this as Puljujarvi, Tkachuk, or Dubois are so much higher on my list than any of Nylander, Brown, Keller.

I still hope we double dip and pull off a Puljujarvi and Bobrovsky trade using all our picks. Solved our 2 biggest needs

I like your trade idea Vinny:

To Columbus:

6th pick
35th pick
54th pick

To Calgary:

3rd pick
Sergei Bobrovsky

Blue Jackets dump Bobrovsky's contract and they save a lot of money but I don't think the Flames will move the cost will be too much.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

If Bobrovsky comes to Calgary, I do not care what Sportnet needs to do, but they have GOT to get Jay Onrait and Dan O'Toole covering Flames games.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Par

I like your trade idea Vinny:

To Columbus:

6th pick
35th pick
54th pick

To Calgary:

3rd pick
Sergei Bobrovsky

Blue Jackets dump Bobrovsky's contract and they save a lot of money but I don't think the Flames will move the cost will be too much.

Calgary would jump all over that, Columbus would hang up the phone.

[flylock shox]

Based on the nothing I know about anything, most of which I've gleaned from CP posts about everything, I don't see any point in the Flames trading up unless they get in the top 3, and I can't fathom that happening, therefore the Flames will draft 6th or lower, and this will all be much ado about nothing.

Or something.

[nightfx]

Bobrovsky is definitely not a cap dump at this point