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Old 11-05-2014, 06:31 PM   #81
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How exactly is refusing to play by intentionally breaking a rule, not unsportsmanlike?

This is the very definition of a childish act.
It gives himself a better chance to win the game. Statistically, he is better off on a SO then a breakaway, and on a breakaway he has to deal with rebounds; in a SO, he doesn't.

Is Brodie childish, because he ran a small interference (that was borderline a minor penelty) to break up a 2-on-1?
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Old 11-05-2014, 06:45 PM   #82
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Old 11-05-2014, 06:50 PM   #83
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How exactly is refusing to play by intentionally breaking a rule, not unsportsmanlike?

This is the very definition of a childish act.
How exactly was he refusing to play?

He took a good penalty, and got the appropriate punishment. A penalty shot is easier to stop than a 2 on 0.

I don't see anything about knocking the net off listed under "Rule 75 - Unsportsmanlike Conduct" in the rule book

The rule will be changed and this will never happen again.

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Old 11-05-2014, 07:09 PM   #84
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If this happened on the Flames and Hiller or Ramo did it, I'd love it. He's helping his team win since a penalty shot is much easier to save than a 2-0.

I'm not going to get all bent out of shape because he's not on a team I cheer for. He found a loop hole and exploited it. Good for him. I heard a comparison to some of Roger Neilson's tactics back in the day.
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Old 11-05-2014, 07:33 PM   #85
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How exactly was he refusing to play?

He took a good penalty, and got the appropriate punishment. A penalty shot is easier to stop than a 2 on 0.

I don't see anything about knocking the net off listed under "Rule 75 - Unsportsmanlike Conduct" in the rule book

The rule will be changed and this will never happen again.
He intentionally broke a rule to stop play, because he didn't want to face a legitimate 2 on 0. He refused to play that legitimate 2 on 0.

Just because it's not an Unsportsmanlike penalty in the rule book, doesn't make it any less of an Unsportsmanlike act.
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Old 11-05-2014, 07:56 PM   #86
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A skater covering though in the crease is refusing to let the legitimate play continue - because penalty shot is a better choice than the sure goal.
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Old 11-06-2014, 01:45 PM   #87
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AHL rule change. Gm Misconduct to offending goalie, penalty shot can be taken by anyone on ice, and replacement goalie faces the shot.
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AHL rule change. Gm Misconduct to offending goalie, penalty shot can be taken by anyone on ice, and replacement goalie faces the shot.
That's about as stiff as you can get. Could add a 2 minute penalty if the shot fails I suppose.
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Old 11-06-2014, 02:14 PM   #89
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AHL rule change. Gm Misconduct to offending goalie, penalty shot can be taken by anyone on ice, and replacement goalie faces the shot.
That's a pretty good reaction IMO. One would hope the game misconduct would also come with potential suspensions.

It is STILL arguably an easier way to prevent a goal by knocking the net off though. Not only are you facing a single shooter, but rebounds won't count. That being said, losing a goalie for the rest of the game and having to bring in a cold goalie to face a shootout should be plenty of deterrent for future incidents.
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I could see a backup doing it. Still a PS but now the number 1 comes in.

BTW, is this only for a 2 on 0 or is it for any breakaway?
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I'm glad they have announced some stiff penalties for this. A goaltender deserves to be punished and not rewarded for these types of unsportsmanlike plays.
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Old 11-06-2014, 02:45 PM   #92
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When the Flames shot the puck out of the rink off of the faceoff to get Craig Berube out of the box in the dying seconds for one more fight during the Ducks brawl I'm pretty sure all of us thought it was a "clever play" not "intentionally breaking a rule to stop play"
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When the Flames shot the puck out of the rink off of the faceoff to get Craig Berube out of the box in the dying seconds for one more fight during the Ducks brawl I'm pretty sure all of us thought it was a "clever play" not "intentionally breaking a rule to stop play"
That reference is so old its practically an antique, and if the 'Delay of Game' penalty existed at the time they likely wouldnt have done it.
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BTW, is this only for a 2 on 0 or is it for any breakaway?
Supposedly for any odd man rush.
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I really applaud the goalie's quick thinking. That was a quick and correct assessment of his situation. The odds of winning 2-0 are worse than 1-0. I also applaud the league's quick reaction with a rule change.

it's never cheating if you're acting within the rules - he took a deliberate penalty to increase his teams chances much like a Dman's desperate hook to stop a break away attempt that ends with a penalty shot against.
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Old 11-06-2014, 03:51 PM   #96
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I'm glad they have announced some stiff penalties for this. A goaltender deserves to be punished and not rewarded for these types of unsportsmanlike plays.
He was punished appropriately at the time, not rewarded. It's not his problem that the punishment was the better option, it's the leagues. The rule needed fixed and guess what, they fixed it

There's nothing unsportsmanlike about it

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Old 11-06-2014, 03:59 PM   #97
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Supposedly for any odd man rush.

Wow - that could be interperted pretty broadly.

Another question. What about a d-man doing it (say on a really bad pass from behind the net leading to a two on one).
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That reference is so old its practically an antique, and if the 'Delay of Game' penalty existed at the time they likely wouldnt have done it.
Are you kidding me? There was 3 seconds left, 2 guys on the bench, and the Flames were down by a couple.

They did not care about a delay of game penalty. They wanted Berube back on the ice to smash someone's face.

And it was awesome.
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That reference is so old its practically an antique, and if the 'Delay of Game' penalty existed at the time they likely wouldnt have done it.
Delay of game did exist back then, and he got the penalty. It just wasn't automatic back then if the puck goes out

At about 19:23 of this video he flips the puck over the glass. At 19:50, the play-by-play guy announces that he's getting a penalty for it.
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