2014 Salary Arbitration - Joe Colborne Settles Before Arb

[FlameZilla]

A player can never receive less than 85% of his previous year's salary. But in Colborne's case that would put him below the league minimum.

As far as I can deduce the Flames could say he's worth league minimum ($550,000) with a fairly clear conscience, but I imagine they'll start with last year's salary & go from there.

From what Colborne's camp has been saying I imagine they'll try and settle this outside of the arbitration process.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Ahhhhh let the bum walk!!!!

I am kidding. However if they use Engellands contract in an arbitration hearing we might just have to let him walk lol!

Still not a bad rookie year from the kid but......He is in tough to make this team. We have 5 guys or more in the minors that could put up his point totals easily this year.

Yet big = Good, right? I hate Colbornes first step ( so slow ), hate he is a big man and doesn't use his body. Yet it was his rookie year. He got better as the year progressed. To be Honest Monahan was driving me nuts too. Wanted to see these guys get physical and fight for the puck. Later in the year they did that. How much did having Westgarth help them? Seriously, these young guys played soft like butter till that trade.

Regardless, lots of protection out there now. Not ready to give up on Colborne. 1 more year, with confidence and protection. Slow first step definitely, but shootouts he proved the kid definitely has some great hands.

Hope he is a late bloomer. Flames are handling him the right way too. Every chance to succeed he will get. Its up to him now!

They cannot use UFA contracts as comparables.

He is a lock to make this team, don't kid yourself.

He might have a slow first step he he actually skates quite well overall, he also uses his body to protect the puck very effectively, he just isn't overly physical

[AcGold]

Tough to be physical when he was incredibly skinny. 6'5 210 is a lower BMI (24.9) than the average NHL player. If he can get up to 235 he'll be able to throw some hits around.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Tough to be physical when he was incredibly skinny. 6'5 210 is a lower BMI (24.9) than the average NHL player. If he can get up to 235 he'll be able to throw some hits around.

The 6-foot-5 Colborne proudly reports he's now up to 220 lb., extra weight that comes in the form of muscle and not inches around his waistline.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/16...aring-on-aug-1

[T@T]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

@FriedgeHNIC: In arbitration, player and team must submit figure 48 hrs before hearing. First to go is Cody Franson (TOR)...

@FriedgeHNIC: Franson has submitted $4.2M. TOR has submitted $2M. They can still settle beforehand.

Is there anything more stupid in the CBA than this so-called arbitrtiation, players allways reach for the moon knowing they won't get that much and the team always low-ball their player and have to tell them their not as good as they think thus straining a relationship.

And of course 99% of the time the number is close to the middle. In other words my kid could be an arbitrtiator!

Show some balls like baseball, it's one or the other.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/16...aring-on-aug-1

15 to go and he'll be laying out some big hits.

[sureLoss]

steve simmons @simmonssteve
BREAKING: Leafs avoid arbitration with Cody Franson. One year deal: 3.3 million.

[sureLoss]

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Kreider (NYR) requests $2.8M. Rangers have offered a two-year deal at $1.9, then $2.2.

[Poe969]

I wonder if this means the leafs are going to shop Franson or another defender. I would love if the rangers were forced to trade Kreider but I can't see them not signing him.

[sureLoss]

Ken Campbell @THNKenCampbell
Ryan O'Reilly asking for $6.75 million in arbitration. Avs offering $5.525 million. O'Reilly elects one-year deal.

[StrykerSteve]

It gives me a strange satisfaction to know that Calgary is responsible for those crazy high numbers in O'Reilly's case.

I wish more GMs would go after RFAs.

[Poe969]

until it happens to us.....

[Read Only]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

It gives me a strange satisfaction to know that Calgary is responsible for those crazy high numbers in O'Reilly's case.

I wish more GMs would go after RFAs.

Why?

It did nothing to help the Flames at all and only made ROR an overpaid guy. Not sure we need more overpaid players in the league.

I can't understand why GM's go after RFA's at all as it is a pretty useless move that rarely, if ever, works.

[StrykerSteve]

Because it handcuffed the Avs financially and they probably lost Stastny because of it. They'll also lose O'Reilly in a year.

[Read Only]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Because it handcuffed the Avs financially and they probably lost Stastny because of it. They'll also lose O'Reilly in a year.

I think Stastny was likely leaving anyways and isn't nearly as big a loss as many are making him out to be and I am not sure how that helped Calgary in any way.

Are we making the play-offs this year because of that? Are we adding players now that we couldn't have got prior to the offer sheet?

And that is only because the offer sheet was macthed and ignores how bad it would have been if the Avs let us get ROR and the Flames are now stuck with an overpriced 2nd line maybe center, no play-offs and no better off in the long term either.

That offer sheet seemed to have 0 benefits for the Flames and only downside if we would hvae got ROR or the NHL enforced its rules and we lost the picks and player.

[Poe969]

And when we're put in the same position because someone wants to offer one of our guys a lot more than he's worth, we'll be out too.

I don't think the Flames are in a position to sign other team's RFA's for a while because if we give up any of our draft picks for the next few years, it'll set us back a few years.

[sureLoss]

Arbitrator has awarded a 1 year $2.75 mil deal to Sobotka. He will still play in the KHL next season.
http://blues.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=726719

If he returns to the NHL, Sobotka must play out the contract that was awarded.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Arbitrator has awarded a 1 year $2.75 mil deal to Sobotka. He will still play in the KHL next season.
http://blues.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=726719

That's the same number Sobotka's agent had said the Blues offered him prior to leaving. I know Sobotka's camp was looking for a 3M+ contract before signing in the KHL so I wonder how involved Sobotka's agent was with the arbitration or if the plan is just to stick in the KHL for the rest of his career.

Originally Posted by sureLoss

If he returns to the NHL, Sobotka must play out the contract that was awarded.

How one-sided is this? I imagine Sobotka couldn't return in two decades and expect a 2.75M contract from the Blues but what's the actual ruling, anyone know?

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Tough to be physical when he was incredibly skinny. 6'5 210 is a lower BMI (24.9) than the average NHL player. If he can get up to 235 he'll be able to throw some hits around.

size is only part of the equation to being that type of player. There are so many players with good size but just don't play much of a bruising game. Regardless of how much bigger colborne gets, i don't see a bruiser style of play from him, and think that's ok. he reminds me of a JVR type player who has great size, good puck skills, great hands in-close, but not all that physical. Trying to think of other big forwards that have excelled with the same size/skill and limited physicality... maybe thornton-lite (ie. thornton without the elite vision and passing ability).

Colborne growth as a player last year, had less to do with the move to the wing, more to do with understanding how to use his size and reach to his advantage along the boards and as he cut to the middle of the ice with the puck, as well as in front of the net. Getting bigger will only help him become effective in this realm.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Ken Campbell @THNKenCampbell
Ryan O'Reilly asking for $6.75 million in arbitration. Avs offering $5.525 million. O'Reilly elects one-year deal.

For a one-year contract, that is not a massive difference.

I think the Avs offer is fair enough.