NY Times Gaudreau article. Update: response from Johnny

[EldrickOnIce]

Flames obviously saying and doing the right things:
Focus on the tournaments and finishing the school year, decide after that.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Chris Peters ‏@chrismpeters Some really interesting quotes from Johnny Gaudreau's mother, who Johnny says in the story "usually wins out in these kind of things."

Yeah if you read the article you would have already read that.

Useless tweet post is useless.

[Rerun]

So, I have one question and one question only...

If Gaudreau remains in college for his senior year, at the end of his senior year does he remain Flames property or does he become a free agent... and possibly another Justin Shultz?

The answer to this will determine whether I'm concerned about his development as a player or really concerned that there may be a strong possibility that he may not become a Flame.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Think that is a little bit of a stretch.

Every other report made it sound like Johnny wanted to turn pro, including many reporters that supposedly had close ties in the Boston area.

Sounds like a mom making up mom like excuses to keep her boys close to home IMO.

Of course she would want her two boys to say together for another season, and of course she would prefer that he get his college degree.

Also as she mentioned she would like to see him get a little bigger and a little stronger, you have to think that as his mother she is a little afraid that her son is going to be playing against the Shea Weber's of the world in just a couple months.

The article is just one of a protective mom looking out for her son, and maybe being afraid of how fast he is growing up.

I don't think there is any reading in between the lines here that shows that Johnny isn't sure if he wants to sign. The article kind of makes it sound like he knows he wants to sign and the protective mom is trying to convince him otherwise.

Moms aren't always logical, I'll give you that. But who encourages their son to turn down millions of dollars to do what they love based on "you need to get your education"? He can buy his education with his millions of dollars if he doesn't make it.

There is nothing remotely inteligent about her perspective. It be one thing if somone just overheard a dinner conversation at the Gaudreau household where a loving and emotional mother made a plea for her son to finish their schooling or stay closer to home and not grow up so quickly, but she was giving an interview.........have to think she had the time to think about her stance more logically, and if so, what she's saying doesn't make sense.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Yeah if you read the article you would have already read that.

Useless tweet post is useless.

Just pointing out that I'm not the only one who believed that quote was important.

Because you know, anything I type is berated and immediately dismissed on this forum.

It's damage control.

I have always strongly believed Gaudreau would sign with the Flames and that comments from people like Warrener were idiotic.

This article scares me, especially that quote. It has changed my mind.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Rerun

So, I have one question and one question only...

If Gaudreau remains in college for his senior year, at the end of his senior year does he remain Flames property or does he become a free agent... and possibly another Justin Shultz?

The answer to this will determine whether I'm concerned about his development as a player or really concerned that there may be a strong possibility that he may not become a Flame.

he's Flames property until August 15th 2015. Schultz is not comparable - he used a loophole in the CBA that made him UFA after three years of college because he played an additional USHL year prior to college hockey. Johnny went to college directly after the draft and therefore can't sign with another team until August 2015.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Moms aren't always logical, I'll give you that. But who encourages their son to turn down millions of dollars to do what they love based on "you need to get your education"? He can buy his education with his millions of dollars if he doesn't make it.

There is nothing remotely inteligent about her perspective. It be one thing if somone just overheard a dinner conversation at the Gaudreau household where a loving and emotional mother made a plea for her son to finish their schooling or stay closer to home and not grow up so quickly, but she was giving an interview.........have to think she had the time to think about her stance more logically, and if so, what she's saying doesn't make sense.

Her logic is the money will be there next year too, and it likely will.

Based on his last three years of hockey Gaudreau likely gets the rookie max whether he leaves now, or joins the NHL next year.

In terms of it being an interview, she was asked a question and shared how she felt. It is not like she is trained by a PR team on how to respond to questions like the players are.

Is what his mom is saying right? Maybe, maybe not. Is it a stance that I could see many parents having, especially with another son on the team? Yup.

I just don't think we need to start jumping to conclusions and reading between the lines that this is some conspiracy by Gaudreau's mom to cover up her sons feelings and take the bullet for him wanting to stay another year.

[Phaneufenstein]

I know we all want to see Gaudreau here already, but him being on the roster next year won't make or break our season.

There's no harm in him finishing off his degree next year, while getting stronger physically.

He's a late bloomer and I'd be cautious of putting him even in the AHL at this point.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Her logic is the money will be there next year too, and it likely will.

Based on his last three years of hockey Gaudreau likely gets the rookie max whether he leaves now, or joins the NHL next year.

In terms of it being an interview, she was asked a question and shared how she felt. It is not like she is trained by a PR team on how to respond to questions like the players are.

Is what his mom is saying right? Maybe, maybe not. Is it a stance that I could see many parents having, especially with another son on the team? Yup.

I just don't think we need to start jumping to conclusions and reading between the lines that this is some conspiracy by Gaudreau's mom to cover up her sons feelings and take the bullet for him wanting to stay another year.

If Gaudreau waits until next year to sign a contract, his ELC will be max 2 years. If he signs before the 2014-2015 season, it will be 3 years.

He's giving up $925,000 to stay in college for one more year?

Why?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Her logic is the money will be there next year too, and it likely will.

Based on his last three years of hockey Gaudreau likely gets the rookie max whether he leaves now, or joins the NHL next year.

In terms of it being an interview, she was asked a question and shared how she felt. It is not like she is trained by a PR team on how to respond to questions like the players are.

Is what his mom is saying right? Maybe, maybe not. Is it a stance that I could see many parents having, especially with another son on the team? Yup.

I just don't think we need to start jumping to conclusions and reading between the lines that this is some conspiracy by Gaudreau's mom to cover up her sons feelings and take the bullet for him wanting to stay another year.

Gaudreau has to know that playing another year is risking injury to her son and the opportunity for that money could be gone. Risking that to "finnish school" can't logically be worth it considering he can buy school.

Have to be more variables in play to risk that cash then just, "please finish school". Although, I probably shouldn't speculate or assume anything about how Johnny's mom would analyse the issue / problem given I don't know her. For all I know she doesn't have a logical bone in her body, or simply doesn't value the money.

Also, likely tough for any of us to say what our Mom's would say unless we've been choosing between $1M contracts. My parents would always take the finish your school stance too, but they've never been faced with that choice with guranteed contracts worth millions on the line. Not sure my parents would even hesitate to suggest I turn pro if that were the case. The typical, finish your education stances many of our parents may have had in our childhood simply don't apply in this situation.

[Senator Clay Davis]

If he does go back to BC, it is absolutely not for education. Communications is generally regarded as the degree US college athletes take because it is the biggest joke of a course that you can basically sleep through and still pass and thus remain eligible for the NCAA. It's essentially the course athletes who have no long term interest in being in school take. They have to take something to play college sports, but they don't actually care about college. If he stays its to play with his brother and so mom can see him graduate. Communications rates marginally ahead of general studies and is on par with sociology.

[theTrumanShow]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Her logic is the money will be there next year too, and it likely will.

Based on his last three years of hockey Gaudreau likely gets the rookie max whether he leaves now, or joins the NHL next year.

In terms of it being an interview, she was asked a question and shared how she felt. It is not like she is trained by a PR team on how to respond to questions like the players are.

Is what his mom is saying right? Maybe, maybe not. Is it a stance that I could see many parents having, especially with another son on the team? Yup.

I just don't think we need to start jumping to conclusions and reading between the lines that this is some conspiracy by Gaudreau's mom to cover up her sons feelings and take the bullet for him wanting to stay another year.

I totally disagree. I think they are saying the right things like all athletes/parents of athletes do to get the best out of the situation. Do you honestly think that they don't know of the financial implications of this? I think they do. I agree that there is a bit of an over reaction to these quotes by his mother, but I totally disagree that they don't know what they are doing. Like any other opportunity, people have a plan.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If Gaudreau waits until next year to sign a contract, his ELC will be max 2 years. If he signs before the 2014-2015 season, it will be 3 years.

He's giving up $925,000 to stay in college for one more year?

Why?

Nobody said he is staying another year in college.

I've never seen someone over react so much over a speculation article before, just chill out before you start breaking things.

[BigFlameDog]

Al Morganti (sp?) from the East/West hot stove is close to the family and knows John personally.

He said based on his intimate knowledge he will be a Flame and fans have nothing to worry about.

He has said this numerous times on the show and has emphatically stated that everyone needs to chill, it is all going to be ok. He has even covered his back by saying anything can happen of course but the relationship is great and Gaudreau wants to be a Flame.

Until Morganti shows up with a wavering opinion this matter probably isn't worth stressing about whether he signs this year or next.

[EYE_Overstand]

Mamas boy

[Itse]

Personally I don't think it's very cool for family members to go public with stuff like this. If my mom would do that, I'd take that as a sign that it's time for me to get some more distance between us.

[Burke Salad]

The Gaudreau family must have fun watching us squirm like a jilted junior high school crush.

[sketchyt]

I've spoken with some college players (including JG) and the ones who stay in college value things differently (not better, not worse... just different). Most of them figure out that being an athlete in college is a lot of fun. They know once they get in the grind of pro hockey, their entire schedule is dictated by someone else. I've heard from a surprising amount of NHL'ers who went the junior route wishing they went to college instead because of it.

I think the quotes from JG's mom reflects that. And also, very few know what actually goes on in the Gaudreau household.

So, if you're getting worried about him not signing based on a quote that sounds like it's taken out of context, I think you should purchase one of these:

[EldrickOnIce]

Momma just raising the stakes on signing bonus and guaranteed NHL money, that's all

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by jg13

Nobody said he is staying another year in college.

I've never seen someone over react so much over a speculation article before, just chill out before you start breaking things.

How am I overreacting?

Do my posts really warrant these disrespectful replies?

Should I be using some exclamation marks? Maybe hit caps lock?

Gaudreau said in the article that what his mother says, he usually sticks with. I'm saying that that is a red flag.

We've also determined that education has nothing to do with the choice. It is completely illogical.

If he wanted to stay because of his brother, why not just say so?

So refusing to accept everything at face value and questioning assumptions = overreacting? Maybe on CalgaryPuck.