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Clever_Iggy · 03-05-2014, 03:53 PM

Very interesting. Sounds like there was a very weak market for Cammellari. Would have had to give him away (which, based on other comments by Burke, would have been less than a 3rd or 4th rounder).

Also, as others theorized, Burke wants to protect the reputation as a tough negotiator that doesn't give players away for nothing at the deadline.

The Fonz · 03-05-2014, 03:54 PM

What's wrong with having Butler as a 3rd pairing guy?

SuperMatt18 · 03-05-2014, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Swedish Flame

"I think teams need to have a reputation for not giving players away at trade deadline" - burke

This is what it comes down to.

You can't just bend over and trade Cammy for only a 2nd or 3rd rounder, you need to set the floor for future negotiations.

Clever_Iggy · 03-05-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is what it comes down to.

You can't just bend over and trade Cammy for only a 2nd or 3rd rounder, you need to set the floor for future negotiations.

Burke also said that he considers 2nd and 3rd rounders to be "high picks" and "even in a 30 team league [paraphrasing] you can get good players there".

Based on that, I think the market for Cammellari was substantially lower than a 4th rounder.

The Swedish Flame · 03-05-2014, 03:56 PM

Burke is on the Fan by the way, in case someone wants to hear more.

Vinny01 · 03-05-2014, 03:58 PM

Burke could not have answered the Cammy question better IMO

saillias · 03-05-2014, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoutski

- Mentions that it's important to maintain a philosophy when it comes to trade of not being weak and just giving players away, thinks teams will remember next year.

That goes 2 ways though right. Teams will remember that Burke was a stubborn mule but by contrast Snow and Murray were adaptable and could be negotiated with. This was part of the problem with Darcy Regier in Buffalo. He only made trades if he fleeced the other team.

ForeverFlameFan · 03-05-2014, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Swedish Flame

Preliminary discussions with Butler for an extension

Butler has been fine as of late. Be more worried about Wideman, he's more of the liability nowadays.

bluloc · 03-05-2014, 04:00 PM

The reason Cammy didnt get traded was because of Cammy not Burke. Good on ya Burkie.

nik- · 03-05-2014, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

Plan is to have Ramo and Ortio playing for the Flames, unless Ramo is getting lots of starts in which case Ortio would play in Abby so he's not just sitting on the bench

Is that what he said? I had to miss the last half.

SuperMatt18 · 03-05-2014, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Based on that, I think the market for Cammellari was substantially lower than a 4th rounder.

Not sure about that. You offer Pittsburgh Cammy instead of Stempniak for a 3rd and they take Cammy for sure.

It is mostly about perception.

Berra for a second rounder...great, Stempniak for a 3rd...seems fair.

Cammy for a 3rd when you were originally asking for a 1st + mid-prospect...makes you look weak and like you caved.

I am guessing that had Burke been offered a first he would have taken it instantly, an offer of a 2nd + a prospect probably gets it done, but settling for just a 2nd makes you look weak in future negotiations so he didn't make the deal.

Just my 2 cents.

Clever_Iggy · 03-05-2014, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by saillias

That goes 2 ways though right. Teams will remember that Burke was a stubborn mule but by contrast Snow and Murray were adaptable and could be negotiated with. This was part of the problem with Darcy Regier in Buffalo. He only made trades if he fleeced the other team.

Burke did say that the packages demanded/offered for Vanek and Moulson dropped considerably from yesterday and that the Flames adjusted their package expectations for Cammellari.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 03-05-2014, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by saillias

That goes 2 ways though right. Teams will remember that Burke was a stubborn mule but by contrast Snow and Murray were adaptable and could be negotiated with. This was part of the problem with Darcy Regier in Buffalo. He only made trades if he fleeced the other team.

Setting a minimum for your team, doesn't mean you fleece other teams. Could mean, you only make deals that are fair for you, not necissarily bad for others.

Also, not sure what Snow showed today in his deal today, but whatever it was, it wasn't great.

handgroen · 03-05-2014, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoutski

- They thought up until an hour before the deadline (had a 3-way deal with someone to do that) they would be able to take cap space to acquire a pick.

This is what i was really hoping for. the flames were in the perfect spot to do this as well, oh well i suppose.
But i don't think the opportunity will come around again

saillias · 03-05-2014, 04:02 PM

So then the problem was that he simply ran out of time. Oh boy, if that was Feaster he would be getting raked through the coals on this board and in the media. Just sayin

ForeverFlameFan · 03-05-2014, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

Butler getting an extension would be fine. I don't understand why he gets #### on so much.

For the right price at least... I wouldn't mind the same terms if 1.75m per year.. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Clever_Iggy · 03-05-2014, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Not sure about that. You offer Pittsburgh Cammy instead of Stempniak for a 3rd and they take Cammy for sure.

It is mostly about perception.

Berra for a second rounder...great, Stempniak for a 3rd...seems fair.

Cammy for a 3rd when you were originally asking for a 1st + mid-prospect...makes you look weak and like you caved.

I am guessing that had Burke been offered a first he would have taken it instantly, an offer of a 2nd + a prospect probably gets it done, but settling for just a 2nd makes you look weak in future negotiations so he didn't make the deal.

Just my 2 cents.

Could be. However, his comment that he adjusted the asking price for Cammellari when the market dropped for Vanek/Moulson makes me think he was pretty flexible on the asking price and was basing it relative to players he thought were above/around the value of Cammellari.

Who knows. Glad the Berra and Stempniak trade keeps the organization moving forward with more bullets in the chamber for next year's draft.

keenan87 · 03-05-2014, 04:05 PM

I'm a little dissapointed. I wanted Cammalleri traded and also what the 3-way deal was about..

Oh and Butler and O'Brien traded and I would have been ecstatic

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 03-05-2014, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by saillias

So then the problem was that he simply ran out of time. Oh boy, if that was Feaster he would be getting raked through the coals on this board and in the media. Just sayin

They aren't the same situations. Also, he didn't run out of time, he refused to accept the deals available in the time frame, which was set by other teams due to the other players on the board. Didn't fail to have time, he made a concious choice to not bend over rather than let time dictate a deal.

Also, if Feaster ran out of time trading Iggy and Bouw, that's an issue. Running out of "time" as you put it when you have the assets we have this year to deal, spare parts and maybe the 4th most appealing forward asset, sort of a different situation.

Imported_Aussie · 03-05-2014, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by saillias

So then the problem was that he simply ran out of time. Oh boy, if that was Feaster he would be getting raked through the coals on this board and in the media. Just sayin

It takes 2 (or more) GMs to deal.
What is to say that Burke was all over this, but the other teams were held up by other negotiations they have going on.
It's a complex business.