Conservative bill gives Harper power to strip Canadians of Citizenship.

[FanningTheFlames]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am an immigrant. I have never been on EI, served 7 years in the army, and never commited a crime (in Canada).

Am I ####ty?

What crime did you commit outside of Canada? The degree of the crime and your likelihood to repeat would be nice to know. But, still, this is Canada we're talking about. You don't have to answer.

You're fine. Don't worry.

The biggest issue, for me (obviously) is how well do you consider yourself a Canadian as an immigrant?

Are you right on board?

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by FanningTheFlames

What crime did you commit outside of Canada? The degree of the crime and your likelihood to repeat would be nice to know. But, still, this is Canada we're talking about. You don't have to answer.

You're fine. Don't worry.

The biggest issue, for me (obviously) is how well do you consider yourself a Canadian as an immigrant?

Are you right on board?

Can you expand on what you are asking here? I don't know what you mean.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by FanningTheFlames

What crime did you commit outside of Canada? The degree of the crime and your likelihood to repeat would be nice to know. But, still, this is Canada we're talking about. You don't have to answer.

You're fine. Don't worry.

I will answer. I put another Canadian's head through a window, then smashed his head into the ground.

I don't suspect I will do it again, I am no longer that man.

The biggest issue, for me (obviously) is how well do you consider yourself a Canadian as an immigrant?

Are you right on board?[/

I am sorry, but what does this even mean? Am I on board? I spent 7 years in green to show I am on board, does that pass you test?

What have you done to show you appreciation for this country? Have you given back to it at all?

[Locke]

Simple solution: Dont do the terrorism.

Super simple stuff.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Locke

Simple solution: Dont do the terrorism.

Super simple stuff.

Actually it's not. Mohamed Fahmy is currently jailed for "terrorism" that by all accounts seems to be bull-plop.

Ottawa hasn't done much to help this Egyptian-Canadian being imprisoned, and under this new legislation could revoke his Citizenship.

All that done without:

A) committing an act of terrorism
B) any due process or fair trial

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Actually it's not. Mohamed Fahmy is currently jailed for "terrorism" that by all accounts seems to be bull-plop.

Ottawa hasn't done much to help this Egyptian-Canadian being imprisoned, and under this new legislation could revoke his Citizenship.

All that done without:

A) committing an act of terrorism
B) any due process or fair trial

Everyone knows that nobody who has ever been accused of a crime was innocent.

But nice try.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Everyone knows that nobody who has ever been accused of a crime was innocent.

But nice try.

Some are also guilty, that you must agree.

A) committing an act of terrorism
B) any due process or fair trial

If A & B are shown to be correct and have occurred then I have no issue with having citizenship stripped.

I am aware that showing that B occurred could much harder than showing A occurred.

[Flash Walken]

What does stripping citizenship accomplish?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

What does stripping citizenship accomplish?

That is a good question, and something I want to think on, but my off the cuff response (which may change) is that it will take away their access to Canadian laws/rights which they might use to avoid punishment of their crimes in other countries.

Weak off the cuff answer, as I said I will think on this further.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Some are also guilty, that you must agree.



If A & B are shown to be correct and have occurred then I have no issue with having citizenship stripped.

I am aware that showing that B occurred could much harder than showing A occurred.

I think that's the point, A & B need to be shown to be correct. That's where the review of citizenship by an impartial legal body needs to take place, not done by a person whose position is politically motivated.

[GreenLantern2814]

Don't conservative types generally want smaller government? "Leave us alone, get your hands out of our pockets" etc.

But the government having the ability to strip citizenship is no problem.

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

That is a good question, and something I want to think on, but my off the cuff response (which may change) is that it will take away their access to Canadian laws/rights which they might use to avoid punishment of their crimes in other countries.

Weak off the cuff answer, as I said I will think on this further.

This is burning down a house to get rid of an ant problem. Not even; it's burning down a house to get rid of an ant.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I think that's the point, A & B need to be shown to be correct. That's where the review of citizenship by an impartial legal body needs to take place, not done by a person whose position is politically motivated.

I agree, it would seem to my limited mind that the courts would be a good place to start.

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Don't conservative types generally want smaller government? "Leave us alone, get your hands out of our pockets" etc.

But the government having the ability to strip citizenship is no problem.



This is burning down a house to get rid of an ant problem. Not even; it's burning down a house to get rid of an ant.

If the review of each situation is completed on an individual basis and by a non-political/unbiased party, say the courts, I have no issue.

BTW, I would be subject to this "law".

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I agree, it would seem to my limited mind that the courts would be a good place to start.



If the review of each situation is completed on an individual basis and by a non-political/unbiased party, say the courts, I have no issue.

BTW, I would be subject to this "law".

This is not a power you want to give the government. Not for any reason. Not for any justification. If the door is open, someone with less noble intentions (maybe even the people that enacted it in the first place) will eventually get their hands on it and twist it into something far more detrimental to Canada than Omar Khadr or some random terrorist being beholden to our laws because he's a citizen.

I've been eligible to vote in two federal elections; I've never voted Conservative, and I've never voted Liberal. This policy forces me to vote Liberal next time. A government cannot and should not have the power to do this. They can #### with people any number of ways if they really set their mind to it, they can #### off if they want to add this to their arsenal.

[Shawnski]

South of the border, they strip you of your citizenship a little harsher...

...by drone.