[Rumour] Garrioch: Kings, Canucks and Red Wings interested in Cammalleri

[Ice]

Originally Posted by sergei_makarov

I'm not sure I agree with that.

His two best seasons in his career have been in the Western Conference (82 points with Calgary and 80 points with the Kings).

His worst seasons in fact, have been in the east.

Playoff stats those years?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I've been suggesting this all season, it just makes a lot of sense IMO.

They have a big team, or a lot of "beef" to surround Cammy with.
He's lived in LA before. (Might still have a place there?)
Anaheim is obviously a contender, and should be looking to add.
They have cap space this season to add.
They have cap space next season to look at extending him if he's a fit.
They have TWO first round picks to play with.
They have a plethora of excellent prospects like:

Forwards - Etem, Friberg, Noesen, Rakell, Smith-Pelly
D-men - Vatanen, Theodore, Blacker
Goalies - Andersen, Gibson, Bobkov

Plus, Burke has history with that franchise and what I assume would be a good working relationship with their GM.

I have been thinking the Ducks all year as well. Their first and DSP for Cammy and a 3rd or something like that. The Ducks add a scorer who would help their PP come playoff time. They won't want another year like last where the finish in the top 2 and lose in the first round

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have been thinking the Ducks all year as well. Their first and DSP for Cammy and a 3rd or something like that. The Ducks add a scorer who would help their PP come playoff time. They won't want another year like last where the finish in the top 2 and lose in the first round

I think a 1st + low end prospect would be max you get for him

now a 1st + highly thought of guy

the Ducks would just say keep the 3rd and not include DSP

[sergei_makarov]

Originally Posted by Ice

Playoff stats those years?

The year with Calgary was when they lost to the Hawks in 6 and the team was playing without Regehr, Warrener and Giordano and were without Phaneuf in Game 6. Conroy, Bourque, Sarich and Langkow were also all revealed afterwards to be playing with fairly significant injuries.

1 G, 2A, +1 in 6 games isn't great, but given the situation, not too bad.

The Kings didn't make the playoffs in Cammalleri's other career high season.

Point is, I think Cammalleri will be fine in the West and over stretches of an 82 game season, he's proven he can play with the bigger opponents. He's not exactly the kind of player to shy away and disappear after getting hit either.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Ice

Cammalleri can't compete physically in the Western Conference in playoffs. He's better suited for the East. The Kings would be much better off getting Moulson out of Buffalo to take a LW spot on the top two lines. Cammy didn't exactly leave the Kings on good terms, that would be a weird deal. He's a better fit for Detroit.

Totally agree.

Cammalleri is probably the best bet for a powerplay specialist for a team lacking some offense going into the playoffs.

Having said that, he is seriously lacking in specific aspects of the game that prevent him from being a dependable top 6 forward for a contender. I'm not sure what the stats say and I won't discount them if there is a different conclusion, but I think his possession numbers really suffer because of his inability to win battles along the wall, either because of size or speed.

As a little guy, he doesn't really provide much pace pushing speed that might negate the drawbacks of his size.

He might fit in Anaheim, but I agree, I think he's better suited to an eastern team like Toronto, Carolina or Ottawa. My bet is that he lands in Detroit where they will re-sign him and send Bertuzzi packing.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by devo22

Both L.A. and Detroit would make great trade partners. Various interesting prospects in both systems ... Toffoli and Mantha are obviously pipe dreams, but Pearson, Vey, Weal, Zykov or even Deslauriers (all LAK) and Jurco, Pulkkinen, Sheahan, Jarnkrok etc (DET) are all good forward prospects

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have been thinking the Ducks all year as well. Their first and DSP for Cammy and a 3rd or something like that. The Ducks add a scorer who would help their PP come playoff time. They won't want another year like last where the finish in the top 2 and lose in the first round

All the talk is Ducks getting a rhd especially now that Souray is done for the season. Believe this is where they are going to spend their cap room. Not to derail but can see them interested in Wideman over Cammy.

[opendoor]

I'll definitely be curious to see how the market shakes out for Cammalleri. On the one hand he's got an excellent pedigree as a scorer in both the playoffs and the regular season so you'd think he'd be a pretty big target for teams looking to upgrade their offense. On the other side of the coin he has scored at a 50 point pace over the last 3 seasons despite getting 1st line and #1 PP minutes and isn't even in the top 100 in points per game in that span. There are several potential rental forwards that have outproduced him in that time period including Legwand, O. Jokinen, Vrbata, Moulson, and Michalek.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Totally agree.

Cammalleri is probably the best bet for a powerplay specialist for a team lacking some offense going into the playoffs.

Having said that, he is seriously lacking in specific aspects of the game that prevent him from being a dependable top 6 forward for a contender. I'm not sure what the stats say and I won't discount them if there is a different conclusion, but I think his possession numbers really suffer because of his inability to win battles along the wall, either because of size or speed.

As a little guy, he doesn't really provide much pace pushing speed that might negate the drawbacks of his size.

He might fit in Anaheim, but I agree, I think he's better suited to an eastern team like Toronto, Carolina or Ottawa. My bet is that he lands in Detroit where they will re-sign him and send Bertuzzi packing.

I don't entirely agree with this.

Sure, in the big, physical, defensive game that is the western playoffs, he will struggle.

But at the same time, for the same reasons, the PP becomes even more important. In low-scoring, physical battles, one PP goal is often the difference.

And he is as valuable as anyone available this year in that regard.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Got a lot more for Hull than a rental.

And it was for a first drink out of the challice

Yep. Not only was Wamsley the back up we needed, Rob Ramage was an all star for St. Louis at the time. Hell of a player.

We had to move a young player or prospect with upside. The choices:

Roberts (just cracking the NHL at the time, more of a good when first brought up)
Niewendyk (calder winning Joe and his 51 goals)
Suter (Calder winning Gary and his 91 points)
Fleury (no one wanted him at the time)
or Hull (who was close to a ppg player through 52 games, but constantly in the coach's doghouse)

the next season's playoffs sees Suter go down first round with a spleen injury. Fleury gets a shot at first powerplay unit d with MacInnis but is too much of a liability. Within 2 or 3 games he is replaced by Ramage as the first unit power play D-man with MacInnis.

So yes, we traded Brett Hull, but we got back an all star defenceman who was asked to play a rough and tumble game on the third pairing most of the year, who then stepped his game up big time in the subsequent post season.

And we won the Cup.

It's a trade you do again in a heartbeat. And if you don't, then you step back and think which of the other young prospects do you give up for an all star defenceman and back up goalie that can win you 17 out of 32 starts? (35 games played in the season including relief appearances)

Suter?
Roberts?
Nieuwendyk?



It shows how unreal our drafting and scouting were at the time.

[Vinny01]

He has scored at .66ppg since coming back to Calgary. It wouldn't be a stretch to think he could put up better numbers with better line mates than he has had in Calgary. He also played out of position for much of his time here and still produced decent numbers.

A good team that wants a sniper who can be a trigger man on the pp, and provide timely secondary scoring (he has performed well in the playoffs before). Also I think he has proven to be a really good pro in Calgary and the type of guy you want to add to the locker room.

I think Burke gets a return that most of this board will be happy with

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't entirely agree with this.

Sure, in the big, physical, defensive game that is the western playoffs, he will struggle.

But at the same time, for the same reasons, the PP becomes even more important. In low-scoring, physical battles, one PP goal is often the difference.

And he is as valuable as anyone available this year in that regard.

I agree with you. A team like LA and their 26th ranked PP could really use a guy like Cammalleri.

Problem is, for the other 50 minutes of the game, where does he play?

In that way, I think he's better suited to the East.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I agree with you. A team like LA and their 26th ranked PP could really use a guy like Cammalleri.

Problem is, for the other 50 minutes of the game, where does he play?

In that way, I think he's better suited to the East.

have you looked at LA's roster? They're incredibly weak on the LW.

Cammalleri not only perfectly fills a roster spot that they need to fill, but offers up exactly what their PP needs.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

have you looked at LA's roster? They're incredibly weak on the LW.

Cammalleri not only perfectly fills a roster spot that they need to fill, but offers up exactly what their PP needs.

That's why I think the Flames and Kings could be good trading partners. Cammalleri and Baertschi for Toffoli, Roach and LA's 1st. We give up a LW that can play immediately, and a very good prospect on the left side as well. We get back a RW we desperately need for the future, a decent defensive prospect with great size, and a draft pick to continue to restock our system.

[Iniggywetrust]

Originally Posted by New Era

That's why I think the Flames and Kings could be good trading partners. Cammalleri and Baertschi for Toffoli, Roach and LA's 1st. We give up a LW that can play immediately, and a very good prospect on the left side as well. We get back a RW we desperately need for the future, a decent defensive prospect with great size, and a draft pick to continue to restock our system.

Why are we giving up one of our blue chop prospects during a rebuild?

Established players for picks and prospects or nothing please

[really?]

Originally Posted by New Era

That's why I think the Flames and Kings could be good trading partners. Cammalleri and Baertschi for Toffoli, Roach and LA's 1st. We give up a LW that can play immediately, and a very good prospect on the left side as well. We get back a RW we desperately need for the future, a decent defensive prospect with great size, and a draft pick to continue to restock our system.

A solid proposal that both organizations would likely at least consider. Gaudreau, Klimchuk, Ferland all left wing prospects. While Baertschi may ultimately end up being a star in the league, you have to give to get and the Flames would at least consider such a deal knowing that they already have prospects on the left side.

On this squad Toffoli would be slotted as the 1st line right wing, and I must admit I don't know alot about Roach, but they need size on the back end. Consider making the first a 2015 pick as that draft seems deeper and anything can happen. Perhaps the Kings falter next year and that pick is a high one.

Not saying both teams would accept, but I think it would be a deal that would draw mutual interest.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

Why are we giving up one of our blue chop prospects during a rebuild?

Established players for picks and prospects or nothing please

Because we deal from a position of strength to get back a better prospect at a position we are exceptionally weak. Toffoli is the perfect fit for the Flames. He's a RW with great skill, finishing ability, some decent size, and performing to or beyond expectations. Toffoli would be a core player along side Monahan for years to come.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

Why are we giving up one of our blue chop prospects during a rebuild?

Established players for picks and prospects or nothing please

To be fair Baertschi is referred to as a blue chip prospect mostly by Flames fans only. He's a solid prospect but blue chip means he's can't miss.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

To be fair Baertschi is referred to as a blue chip prospect mostly by Flames fans only. He's a solid prospect but blue chip means he's can't miss.

Semantics - there are very few can miss prospects - and those that truly are can't miss make the NHL sooner than ever before. So knowing that - what are we talking about when we talk blue chip. The top 10 non NHL prospects, top 30? top 50?
I know people are down on Sven but I still consider him blue chip in that he's still probably within the top 30 in terms of overall prospects owned by NHL organizations. Is he can't miss? Nope. But he's still got a high ceiling and likelihood of being a top 6 forward.

The notion that Flames fans only are high on Sven I don't think is accurate. Fans are far too reactive to the ups and downs that most NHL prospects go through. Right now he is in a down part of the cycle but most prospects don't have smooth development paths. There are bumps.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by New Era

Because we deal from a position of strength to get back a better prospect at a position we are exceptionally weak. Toffoli is the perfect fit for the Flames. He's a RW with great skill, finishing ability, some decent size, and performing to or beyond expectations. Toffoli would be a core player along side Monahan for years to come.

Why is Toffoli the better prospect - he is one year older and hasn't done anything more than Sven at the NHL level.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

To be fair Baertschi is referred to as a blue chip prospect mostly by Flames fans only. He's a solid prospect but blue chip means he's can't miss.

To be fair, that's not true.