[GDT] Brian Burke Press Conference

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

wow, seems lots of people have changed their vote on the kessel trade. You're probably right as of now, i just can't seem to get my head around it. probably a personal dislike of kessel i suppose....

Kessel is an odd and awkward guy. If he wasn't like this, I'd say no question that the Leafs won the trade. Right now, I'd say it's a draw, depending on how Hamilton develops.

[chalms04]

Love how the architect of team USA is a Canadian citizen.

[Hells Bells]

Kessel's shyness and awkwardness actually makes him more likeable IMO.

I legitimately felt sorry for him during that All Star draft fiasco.

[-TC-]

Originally Posted by northendzone

so the flames had 60 names on the list - wonder how many of them are members of cp?

59

[SoCalFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

my only fear about this:

Brian Burke: "I'd do the [Phil] Kessel deal [with Boston] again tomorrow."

That doesn't scare me at all. Kessel is a top-5 goal scorer in the league. Every team would want him. I think the trade looks better as Seguin hasn't panned out as expected and was moved. No doubt Hamilton looks good but he has a long way to go to be a dominant player at the NHL level.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by _Q_

You mean, trade two first round picks for a young 40 goal scorer and future leader? Yeah I'd do it again too if I was Brian.

Young 40 goal scorer? Not yet.

Future leader? Not sure the term "leader" has ever been uttered in the same sentence with Phil Kessel.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

SN is unwatchable.

Fixed your post. At least their own coverage is.

[Passe La Puck]

Originally Posted by chalms04

Love how the architect of team USA is a Canadian citizen.

He's a dual citizen, but he's American born.

[chalms04]

Originally Posted by Passe La Puck

He's a dual citizen

*double agent

[sa226]

Anybody else see sweaty pits guy behind Burke when the panel interviewed him?

Also, I now remember why I stopped watching panel analysis a long time ago. That SN panel was bad. Only guy worth listening to is Morrison.

[Caged Great]

The problem with the Kessel trade wasn't what the Leafs gave up for him, but rather it was when the trade was made. They were too far away from pulling out of the rebuild for that trade to make sense. They needed cheap young talent more so than a guy who can put up points on a terrible team.

If they had made that exact same trade a year or two later in their rebuild, it would've been fine and a great trade in my opinion. Nobody slams the Simmons + Schenn + Pick for Richards trade. That's because the Kings were in the appropriate time period in their rebuild to make a move like that.

As for Burke, I really do not like this move. I do not think that Burke is the right guy to build this team the right way, and I think the Flames have been making a lot of good moves since moving Iginla.

Wait and see is basically how I'm taking it. I just hope that they don't start firing people for no reason (they've been good recently)

[SuperMatt18]

One thing Burke did early in Toronto was use cap space to gain assets, lets see if the Flames ownership group lets him spend money the same way.

[foshizzle11]

I am worried the rebuild is over now that Burke is around. Seems he tries to make things happen to quickly. I guess we will wait and see. I hope we stay the course and keep moving pieces out to get younger and better prospects through drafting.

No Kessel like trades please!

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by SoCalFlamesFan

That doesn't scare me at all. Kessel is a top-5 goal scorer in the league. Every team would want him. I think the trade looks better as Seguin hasn't panned out as expected and was moved. No doubt Hamilton looks good but he has a long way to go to be a dominant player at the NHL level.

How is a man who's never hit 40 goals a top 5 goal scorer in the league? You can say that the trade looks better, but the Bruins acquired a player who consistently scores 70 points, which Kessel has bettered only once in a full season who has a much better all around game AND they still have a blue chip defenseman as an added bonus.

It's also unfair to write off Seguin, as he's a year removed from being the B's top scorer and already has a cup in addition to another Stanley Cup Finals appearance. He's a major talent who if you believe rumours started to buy his own hype too much, well he wouldn't be the first young player to do that and he also wouldn't be the first to have a team regret giving up on a player of that ilk too early.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

They were too far away from pulling out of the rebuild for that trade to make sense.

Way off.

Kessel was a 21 year old coming off of a season where he was 8th in the league in goals/game.

When does it not make sense for a rebuilding team to acquire that player?

If he were 30 years old... you have a point. But he wasn't. He was 21, had only played 3 years in the NHL, and was already a top 10 goal scorer.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The problem with the Kessel trade wasn't what the Leafs gave up for him, but rather it was when the trade was made. They were too far away from pulling out of the rebuild for that trade to make sense. They needed cheap young talent more so than a guy who can put up points on a terrible team.

If they had made that exact same trade a year or two later in their rebuild, it would've been fine and a great trade in my opinion. Nobody slams the Simmons + Schenn + Pick for Richards trade. That's because the Kings were in the appropriate time period in their rebuild to make a move like that.

As for Burke, I really do not like this move. I do not think that Burke is the right guy to build this team the right way, and I think the Flames have been making a lot of good moves since moving Iginla.

Wait and see is basically how I'm taking it. I just hope that they don't start firing people for no reason (they've been good recently)

this is my chain of thought also. Burke seems like a great guy to take a good team and get them to be great. I think the kessel trade was a massive miscalculation where he thought he had a decent team and that kessel would make them great. If the leafs were a playoff team when the trade was done then ya, i can see the thought process in giving up 2 x 1st rounders for a young scorer. A bad team, a team that was rebuilding should never be giving up a 1st rounder, let alone multiple in hopes of getting better (same can be said for the avs trade for varlamov).

I also question sending the 2 x 1st round picks and getting a guy like kessel back who has never shown promise to be a leader for face of a franchise type of guy.

In any case, i've been happy with feasters process with the flames roster once they went the rebuild route. i would love to have burke involved when the flames are on the cusp of being back in hte hunt for the playoffs (ie. a few years after some of our top prospects are in the NHL and ready to challenge for the playoffs). I am not sure about having both at the same time means best of both worlds is a given.

i'm not angry or negative about the decision. i'm a brian burke fan, and think he's actually a pretty smart hockey guy. the flames management team has a stronger management team than it did yesterday. just curious to see how they gel and get what should be a bottom tier team in the league back to respectability soon.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The problem with the Kessel trade wasn't what the Leafs gave up for him, but rather it was when the trade was made. They were too far away from pulling out of the rebuild for that trade to make sense. They needed cheap young talent more so than a guy who can put up points on a terrible team.

If they had made that exact same trade a year or two later in their rebuild, it would've been fine and a great trade in my opinion. Nobody slams the Simmons + Schenn + Pick for Richards trade. That's because the Kings were in the appropriate time period in their rebuild to make a move like that.

As for Burke, I really do not like this move. I do not think that Burke is the right guy to build this team the right way, and I think the Flames have been making a lot of good moves since moving Iginla.

Wait and see is basically how I'm taking it. I just hope that they don't start firing people for no reason (they've been good recently)

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Way off.

Kessel was a 21 year old coming off of a season where he was 8th in the league in goals/game.

When does it not make sense for a rebuilding team to acquire that player?

If he were 30 years old... you have a point. But he wasn't. He was 21, had only played 3 years in the NHL, and was already a top 10 goal scorer.

This is like de ja vu argument for how much of a genius Feaster is for offer sheeting ROR. (the whole waiver thing aside)

[Hockeyguy15]

It seems like some posters missed the fact that Feaster is still the GM, not Burke.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Dagger

How is a man who's never hit 40 goals a top 5 goal scorer in the league? You can say that the trade looks better, but the Bruins acquired a player who consistently scores 70 points

Seguin consistently scores 70 points?

Pro-rated to 82 games...

10/11 - 24 pts
11/12 - 68 pts
12/13 - 55 pts


Kessel pro-rated over 82 games...

08/09 - 42 goals
09/10 - 35 goals
10/11 - 32 goals
11/12 - 37 goals
12/13 - 34 goals

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

It seems like some posters missed the fact that Feaster is still the GM, not Burke.

Either they are missing something, or you are missing something.