Bouma sits dows with King?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

He still is President & COO and he didn't sit in on the meetings this past Sunday.

Fair, and thank you.
What about when he was Pres. and Lowe was GM?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Well at least this thread isn't completely ripe with over-the-top speculation.

Now it's ripe.

[You Need a Thneed]

If part of Ken King's job is to evaluate the GM and other hockey personnel, he absolutely should be sitting down from time to time with the hockey players - to evaluate how the GM, etc are doing.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

If part of Ken King's job is to evaluate the GM and other hockey personnel, he absolutely should be sitting down from time to time with the hockey players - to evaluate how the GM, etc are doing.

I would tend to believe that all Presidents of Sports franchises would have that as part of their DTD duties. I don't feel KKing should be the President of the Flames any longer based mainly on the teams failures.

[FBI]

Isn't Bouma a forward??

[Flames Draft Watcher]

And thus starts the summer of whining, dramatics, overreactions and complaining about things we can't change.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

That's a guy who was identified by management as a key player moving forward. He was willing to stay long-term, possibly career long. The president spoke to him on a personal basis, where they discussed this.

Lance Bouma is a 4th liner on his ELC.
Anything to do with Lance Bouma is micromanagement.

Wasn't Glencross a 4th liner (maybe 3rd liner) when the Flames acquired him? At what point do you start to deem a player important enough for the President to talk to? How does that look to those players who aren't deemed important enough?

I've worked places where staff below a certain level were invisible to management above a certain level. Then, someone gets a promotion to a level that's apparently made them a real human, so the big bosses will come and talk to them, but you're still not good enough and they ignore you. It's a good way to ensure no one on your staff respects you.


I can think of plenty of legitimate reasons (most have already been mentioned) why King may have wanted to meet with a Flames drafted player who missed most of the season due to injury whose ELC is expiring and will become an RFA this summer. As long as he wasn't giving the kid advice on how to play the game, or contradicting what was said by Feaster or Weisbrod or Hartley, I don't see how it can be considered a negative thing for him to do.

[_Q_]

Ken King talking to Bouma can simply be to make the guy feel welcome in the "Flames Family" and get him to sign a hometown discount if he ever becomes a decent enough player.

Does it ever cross some of your minds as to why the Flames are actually really good at keeping the players they want moving forward? Why is it that the Flames can keep the likes of Iginla, Tanguay, Glencross and have players like Cammalleri willing to waive their NTC to come here, while teams like Montreal, Florida, Phoenix and Dallas always seem to have roster turnover. It's because of moves like this.

You may question the choices that the team has made in retaining certain players and the salary given to them, which is fair. Moves like this, however, are a good thing in my mind.

[bluloc]

Originally Posted by FBI

Isn't Bouma a forward??

Thought he was center, not a defenceman aswell.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Ken King talking to Bouma can simply be to make the guy feel welcome in the "Flames Family" and get him to sign a hometown discount if he ever becomes a decent enough player.

Does it ever cross some of your minds as to why the Flames are actually really good at keeping the players they want moving forward? Why is it that the Flames can keep the likes of Iginla, Tanguay, Glencross and have players like Cammalleri willing to waive their NTC to come here, while teams like Montreal, Florida, Phoenix and Dallas always seem to have roster turnover. It's because of moves like this.

You may question the choices that the team has made in retaining certain players and the salary given to them, which is fair. Moves like this, however, are a good thing in my mind.

Exactly, didn't King go horse back riding with Glencross and ended up with a steal of deal contract? No one flipped out then.

[Oling_Roachinen]

I don't know if I would have an issue with King sitting down with the majority of players, but Bouma is especially easy to swallow. The guy missed the entire season with injuries. King could have easily just wanted to know about his experience with the medical team, training staff and if there's anything Bouma would have felt that could have made it easier. And a bonus that Bouma has dealt with both the Calgary and Abbortsford management and coaching staff recently.

Now I agree I wouldn't want King meddling in the on-ice management of the team, but unless anyone has a transcript of the conversation that's just speculation.

[Buff]

Ken King is truly a mega micromanager. He just doesn't let people do their jobs. At all. Doesn't anyone remember the story about Ken King walking around the 'Dome during a game, finding a spilled hot dog, or pop, and going to get a paper towel and cleaning it up himself? He doesn't even let the cleaners clean, why would he let the coach coach or the manager manage? Clearly King sits in the 1st row in the 3rd period because he is trying to give the players instructions on how to shoot the puck at the net.

[bettman]

You what Im curious about this. Wonder if we contacted the likes of Kelly Hrudey, Pierre Maguire, Bob McKenzie and others if this kind of thing is the norm. Or is it a problem that stems from people that should not be involved, These people answer fan questions, why not try?? Might be some interesting insight from people actually in the game. Maybe a Rhett Warrener?? What do you think?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Come on Lanny did i mention Lanny Is Lanny a President No is Neely a President Yes.

Ken King should have been let go 3 seasons ago for his failures of what is on the ice. Its his ship regardless the outcome.

Same applies - I have no idea what qualifies Cam Neely to be President. But I'm also not close enough to the Bruins to be able to make that call.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Buff

Ken King is truly a mega micromanager. He just doesn't let people do their jobs. At all. Doesn't anyone remember the story about Ken King walking around the 'Dome during a game, finding a spilled hot dog, or pop, and going to get a paper towel and cleaning it up himself? He doesn't even let the cleaners clean, why would he let the coach coach or the manager manage? Clearly King sits in the 1st row in the 3rd period because he is trying to give the players instructions on how to shoot the puck at the net.

I was just about to apply to this post about how ridiculous it is till I read the last line.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Buff

Ken King is truly a mega micromanager. He just doesn't let people do their jobs. At all. Doesn't anyone remember the story about Ken King walking around the 'Dome during a game, finding a spilled hot dog, or pop, and going to get a paper towel and cleaning it up himself? He doesn't even let the cleaners clean, why would he let the coach coach or the manager manage? Clearly King sits in the 1st row in the 3rd period because he is trying to give the players instructions on how to shoot the puck at the net.

Agreed, one time I missed a game of my season's tickets so I went to the ticket counter at the Saddledome and asked if I could exchange them for new tickets. Ken King happened to be there and personally did the exchange without a problem - you could imagine my outrage at his meddling. A fiend and a bad President.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Buff

Ken King is truly a mega micromanager. He just doesn't let people do their jobs. At all. Doesn't anyone remember the story about Ken King walking around the 'Dome during a game, finding a spilled hot dog, or pop, and going to get a paper towel and cleaning it up himself? He doesn't even let the cleaners clean, why would he let the coach coach or the manager manage? Clearly King sits in the 1st row in the 3rd period because he is trying to give the players instructions on how to shoot the puck at the net.

Awesome! Deserves more than simple thanks...

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Exactly, didn't King go horse back riding with Glencross and ended up with a steal of deal contract? No one flipped out then.

Oh ,they flipped out then...your darn right they did. To lazy to go looking but King was out of bounds, Feaster was a puppet etc, etc.

[t0rrent98]

The Kingpin's gotta put his nose into everything....

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

Oh ,they flipped out then...your darn right they did. To lazy to go looking but King was out of bounds, Feaster was a puppet etc, etc.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...ight=Glencross

I don't see any of that.