Bouma sits dows with King?

[worth]

Speaking of sitting, I never realized until a friend pointed it out to me that Ken King sits behind the offensive zone net in the first row for the entirety of every third period at the dome. I thought this was really odd to basically have your bosses boss peering over the opposition goalies shoulder while you are trying to score in the third period.

[cheevers]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

It's not the norm if the President is on the business ops side. Patrick LaForge would never sit in on Oilers year-end meetings as an example.

It's perfectly fine behaviour if the President is involved in Hockey Operations (John Davidson as an example). The question is, do you want Ken King involved in Hockey Operations? If he's in these meetings then he is, end of story.

Considering the way Tambellini and Lowe have run that team into the ground, maybe he should of sat in on a meeting or two.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by moon

Does LaForge have a role in hiring/firing the GM or coach?

Nope.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

There is every chance Ken was involved in '04 player meetings. 'Cause he was.

How would you know? You're not Ken King.

[moon]

Originally Posted by JayP

To quote you in another thread:

What evidence do you have?

I find it funny that the same people that fiercely defend Ken King are the same that laugh at the Oilers for their circus of a management. There's no hard proof that Kevin Lowe is essentially still running that team and yet it's okay to assume it. Given all the smoke and fire around Ken King, why can't anyone assume that?

I don't have proof which is my point. Him sitting in on that meeting tells us nothing about whether he is meddling or not.

Not sure if I am included in defending King but thinking that he is not tying Feasters hand or telling him what to do is not fiercely defending him. I have no problem if he is let go or moved to another position but it shouldn't be based on some vague report of him sitting in a meeting with Lance Bouma.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Why would he?

My question was, when he was Pres. how do you know he didn't sit in, which is what you unequivocally stated. You don't get to answer the question asked with an irrelevant question.

[gvitaly]

Until one of you is actually sitting in the room with the management, all you can do is guess (blinders on or not) if there is meddling. I think King simply wants to be a little more involved than in the (Darryl)Sutter era- from my understanding Sutter was given a free reign and it backfired. Since the Sutter era the management group is trying to make decisions by committee in order to hear as many opinions as possible. I don't know who has the final say, but I still believe it is Feaster.

The season is over... and everyone should stop looking for someone to blame. I realize there were many mistakes made over the past few seasons, especially in term of personnel decisions. However, in team sports failure is never just one person's fault. Besides The devil you know is better than the devil you don't.

Also believe it or not but managing a sports team has a lot more to it than just trading/drafting players... a little more complicated than playing NHL13 from your couch. Besides, Ken King has enough experience to know where he should or shouldn't be as the Flames chief executive.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Nope.

Then I think comparing what he does with King to be not entirely useful.

Since, as I understand it, King is in charge of hiring/firing the hockey staff then it does make sense that at times he will oversee what those guys are doing in order to make a decision on the effectiveness of them.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by moon

Then I think comparing what he does with King to be not entirely useful.

Since, as I understand it, King is in charge of hiring/firing the hockey staff then it does make sense that at times he will oversee what those guys are doing in order to make a decision on the effectiveness of them.

What I said was that if King is sitting in on these meetings then he's involved in hockey ops. Oilers President Patrick LaForge does not sit in on the Oilers meetings and he's not involved in hockey ops.

Some people seem to be saying that King is sitting in on these meetings but somehow is not involved on the hockey side of things.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

My question was, when he was Pres. how do you know he didn't sit in, which is what you unequivocally stated. You don't get to answer the question asked with an irrelevant question.

He still is President & COO and he didn't sit in on the meetings this past Sunday.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by moon

I don't have proof which is my point. Him sitting in on that meeting tells us nothing about whether he is meddling or not.

Not sure if I am included in defending King but thinking that he is not tying Feasters hand or telling him what to do is not fiercely defending him. I have no problem if he is let go or moved to another position but it shouldn't be based on some vague report of him sitting in a meeting with Lance Bouma.

You don't have proof, but you can conclusively say this is different than Kevin Lowe pulling the puppet strings behind the curtains up in Edmonton?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

What I said was that if King is sitting in on these meetings then he's involved in hockey ops. Oilers President Patrick LaForge does not sit in on the Oilers meetings and he's not involved in hockey ops.

Some people seem to be saying that King is sitting in on these meetings but somehow is not involved on the hockey side of things.

Fair enough.

Obviously doing the hiring of the GM means that King is involved in hockey ops to some extent. What that extent is I think is the sticking point for most people here.

[LouCypher]

What if it is an owner sitting in this meeting and not Ken King? Is it meddling or is it keeping an eye on components of your massive investment in a sports franchise?

[moon]

Originally Posted by JayP

You don't have proof, but you can conclusively say this is different than Kevin Lowe pulling the puppet strings behind the curtains up in Edmonton?

I am saying this incident is not the same as Kevin Lowe. Not sure where I said it was conclusively different than Lowe anyways.

There could be other things that make it similar to Lowe but in terms of the report of him sitting in on a meeting with Bouma no that is nothing similar to the Oilers/Lowe situation.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

How would you know? You're not Ken King.

Cute, and true. But so is my comment.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Cute, and true. But so is my comment.

So what's the deal? Son/daughter, relative, friend? I assume it's one of those seeing you claim to know so much

[LouCypher]

Originally Posted by worth

Speaking of sitting, I never realized until a friend pointed it out to me that Ken King sits behind the offensive zone net in the first row for the entirety of every third period at the dome. I thought this was really odd to basically have your bosses boss peering over the opposition goalies shoulder while you are trying to score in the third period.

That might sound weird but I would sit there to if I was President, you can sit where you want so why not sit where you hope the action will be. Still though would be weird taking that shot then seeing your boss give you a dirty look while shaking his head no from behind the goalie.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by LouCypher

That might sound weird but I would sit there to if I was President, you can sit where you want so why not sit where you hope the action will be. Still though would be weird taking that shot then seeing your boss give you a dirty look while shaking his head no from behind the goalie.

Maybe it is the reason the Flames have exactly twice as many point at home(28pts) than on the road(14pts) this season.

[Major Major]

King is not a traditional hockey guy, but I do think he has certain talents that spill over to this department. Feherty was interviewing Jack Welch (former CEO of GE) a few weeks ago, and Welch said that the most important part of his job and success was hiring the right people. He considered himself an excellent judge of character (once fired a high ranking exec for cheating in a round of golf). This is the kind of thing that I want from a president, regardless of his hockey background.

King's record is spotty, so he is on thin ice, but I have no problem with him getting a feel for the people in his employ, be they players, trainers, medical staff, coaches, or management.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Locke

That sounds a lot like '6 cups' rhetoric to me.

Not at all i am not going all Kevin Lowe talking 25 years ago rhetoric. I am talking the present here and now.

Compare the last 7 years because that is when Neely was hired with the Bruins so base it on that.

Neely 1 GM 1 HC

• 07 No playoffs
• 08 1st round
• 09 2nd round
• 10 2nd round
• 11 Stanley Cup
• 12 1st round
• 13 playoffs 4th place reg season

King 2 GM's 4 HC's

• 07 1st round
• 08 1st round
• 09 1st round
• 10 no playoffs
• 11 no playoffs
• 12 no playoffs
• 13 no playoffs