Man sexually assaulted by four women

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I may not be a criminal lawyer, but that is not usually true. Drunkenness does not vitiate consent unless it rises to incapacity.

Courts don't seem to have a defined limit, as its a question of fact, but there was a recent AB Court of Appeal ruling (R. v. Haraldson, 2012 ABCA 147) that summed it up pretty well.

Yeah, I clarified about two posts after that...

[polak]

If they're unreported how do you know that it's somewhere around 90%?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by polak

If they're unreported how do you know that it's somewhere around 90%?

It's an estimate based on various studies where women were asked whether they had ever been sexually assaulted and, if so, if they reported it to the police. One such study indicated that only about 8% of sexual assault cases were reported.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by polak

If they're unreported how do you know that it's somewhere around 90%?

There are countless studies on the topic.

[polak]

Originally Posted by valo403

There are countless studies on the topic.

I was just being a smart ass.
I've actually read some of those studies back when I was taking sociology as an option in school.

1% of fradulent cases (if that's the real number, plus however many people that haven't been exonerated) is still an issue. A very serious one for that matter.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by polak

I was just being a smart ass.
I've actually read some of those studies back when I was taking sociology as an option in school.

1% of fradulent cases (if that's the real number, plus however many people that haven't been exonerated) is still an issue. A very serious one for that matter.

I don't disagree, but the implication from your initial post on the matter is that it's something that happens easily and often, which is not even remotely true.

[undercoverbrother]

I think one thing that has been lost, is that sexual activity if unwanted is assault, regardless of gender.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I think one thing that has been lost, is that sexual activity if unwanted is assault, regardless of gender.

A concept isn't really lost among those who've failed to grasp it in the first place.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by rubecube

A concept isn't really lost among those who've failed to grasp it in the first place.

sad but true.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Thanks for the huge pic, but I'm not seeing where he sexually assaulted a minor.

He is charged with making child porn.

[Burninator]

I like how this is the same website that when a picture of an attractive girl is posted a bunch of guys proclaim they would not bang because of some small imperfection yet a bunch are okay with being sexually assaulted by 4 women.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by speede5

This happened to a guy when I was in training at CFB Borden. Young guy, probably still a virgin, 2 girls got him drunk and took him home. He went to the police and had a real hard time with it. They had tied him up and done things, tried to get him to do things. I don't think too many guys would be all that enthuzed to have some girl they aren't interested in shoving their snapper in your face, blowing you, exposing you to disease, etc.

Anyone who think this isn't assault and worthy of charges is a f***ing idiot.

What happened? Where the police reluctant to press charges? Where they charged?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I think one thing that has been lost, is that sexual activity if unwanted is assault, regardless of gender.

Whilst this is true I personally think there is a huge difference between being forcibly entered, whether you are a man or a woman, and being groped.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Whilst this is true I personally think there is a huge difference between being forcibly entered, whether you are a man or a woman, and being groped.

So there needs to be a large strap on involved for you to get upset?

sex assault covers a wide range of acts, including unwanted touching, grabbing, kissing, oral sex and intercourse

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Whilst this is true I personally think there is a huge difference between being forcibly entered, whether you are a man or a woman, and being groped.

Very true. While I understand the privacy reasons for the umbrella term "sexual assault," it's so vague that it leaves too much to the imagination.

If some perv grabs a chick's boob, that's sexual assault. If he sodomizes her, that's also sexual assault. There's a big effing difference that is never explained in the media.

Same with this incident. Did they grab his junk or where they sodomizing him with broomsticks? Big difference.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Very true. While I understand the privacy reasons for the umbrella term "sexual assault," it's so vague that it leaves too much to the imagination.

If some perv grabs a chick's boob, that's sexual assault. If he sodomizes her, that's also sexual assault. There's a big effing difference that is never explained in the media.

Same with this incident. Did they grab his junk or where they sodomizing him with broomsticks? Big difference.

I say again:

the sex assault covers a wide range of acts, including unwanted touching, grabbing, kissing, oral sex and intercourse

havin re-read it seems TPS is just listing of what is covered by the term sexual assault.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Same with this incident. Did they grab his junk or where they sodomizing him with broomsticks? Big difference.

Which is why one of those would be classified as "sexual assault" and the other would be "aggravated sexual assault."

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

So there needs to be a large strap on involved for you to get upset?

Pretty much, I remember getting pissed drunk with me mates years ago while on a canal boat holiday, kind of like a floating RV, we staggered out of some pub not a clue where we were or where the boat was, a bus driver offered to drive us back to the canal, so on we get, its a bus full of very drunk old ladies who immeadiatly jumped us grabbing our arses pulling us on their laps and generally acting like dirty old ladies.

We got dropped off 20 minutes later thinking it was weird to see women acting like that but no one felt threatened in danger or even violated, although I had a huge bruise on me arse from some old bird pinching it as hard as she could and then offering to kiss it better.

By the letter of the law we were all sexually assualted multiple times, and had it been a bus full of blokes and a couple of girls it would be wholly different, the reality is it is utterly different for men, I never once felt scared and mostly thought it was funny as hell.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

We got dropped off 20 minutes later thinking it was weird to see women acting like that but no one felt threatened in danger or even violated, although I had a huge bruise on me arse from some old bird pinching it as hard as she could and then offering to kiss it better.

By the letter of the law we were all sexually assualted multiple times, and had it been a bus full of blokes and a couple of girls it would be wholly different, the reality is it is utterly different for men, I never once felt scared and mostly thought it was funny as hell.

For you this wasn't a problem and therefore wasn't really unwanted touching. However if a man in your situation was upset, scared, felt violated, etc then that assault would have been the same regardless of gender.

If a person feels they have been victimized than an assault has taken place. I don't think you can project your ideals of sexuality onto other people.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by GGG

For you this wasn't a problem and therefore wasn't really unwanted touching. However if a man in your situation was upset, scared, felt violated, etc then that assault would have been the same regardless of gender.

If a person feels they have been victimized than an assault has taken place. I don't think you can project your ideals of sexuality onto other people.

Of course it was unwanted touching, who wants a 65 year old woman grabbing your package while cackling when your 20? what I didn't feel was scared, and to be frank I don't think a guy would feel scared in that situation, these are drunken women, not even angry, there just isn't the same sense of sex=power=violence that guys give off, I can see a guy feeling upset at a perceived loss of dignity but that is wholly different