Oscar Pistorius kills his GF ?

[Senator Clay Davis]

More info, with some inconsistencies on both sides (though much worse for Pistorius)

A police detective testified at Oscar Pistorius' bail hearing Wednesday that authorities have not found any inconsistencies in the star athlete's description of his shooting of his girlfriend — a killing Pistorius says was accidental but which prosecutors call murder.

The second day of the bail hearing in a case that has riveted South Africa and much of the world appeared at first to go against the double-amputee runner, with prosecutor Gerrie Nel saying a witness can testify to hearing "non-stop talking, like shouting" between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m. before the predawn shooting on Valentine's Day.

When asked if the police found anything inconsistent with the version of events presented by Pistorius, Botha responded that they had not.

However Botha — who has 24 years' experience as a policeman and 16 as a detective — presented evidence that appears to disagree with Pistorius' account. Botha said the trajectory of the bullets showed the gun was fired pointed down and from a height. This seems to conflict with Pistorius' statement Tuesday, because the athlete said that he was on his stumps and feeling vulnerable because he was in a low position when he opened fired.

Prosecutor Gerrie Nel has said the killing was premeditated because Pistorius took time to put on his prosthetic legs before the shooting.

Nel projected a plan of the bedroom and bathroom for the courtroom and argued Pistorius had to walk past his bed to get to the bathroom and could not have done so without realizing Steenkamp was not in the bed.

"There's no other way of getting there," Nel said.

Hilton said the holster for the 9 mm pistol was found under the side of the bed on which Steenkamp slept — also implying it would have been impossible for Pistorius to get the gun without realizing that Steenkamp was not in the bed and could have been the person in the bathroom. Pistorius testified Tuesday that the bedroom was pitch dark

Police also found two iPhones in the bathroom and two BlackBerrys in the bedroom, Hilton said, adding that none had been used to phone for help. Pistorius had said that he called the manager of his guarded and gated housing complex and a private paramedic service.

Roux said Pistorius did make calls, including to the guards of the housing estate. In one case, he said, a guard could hear Pistorius crying.

"Was it part of his premeditated plan, not to switch off the phone and cry?" Roux asked sarcastically.

Botha said Pistorius did not have a license for a .38-caliber weapon and consequently his possession of ammunition for such a weapon was illegal.
The detective said that all Pistorius would say after the shooting was "he thought it was a burglar."

In an additional revelation Wednesday, police said they found two boxes of testosterone and needles in Pistorius' bedroom.

But Roux said the substance was an "herbal remedy," and not a steroid or a banned substance.

Police "take every piece of evidence and try to extract the most possibly negative connotation and present it to the court," defense lawyer Roux said.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-no-inco...8745--oly.html

[Cheese]

In an additional revelation Wednesday, police said they found two boxes of testosterone and needles in Pistorius' bedroom.
But Roux said the substance was an "herbal remedy," and not a steroid or a banned substance.

Riiiiiiiight...a herbal remedy that needs to be injected?

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

We are talking about a guy likely prone to extreme jealousy and insecurity to begin with. Throw in a smoking hot model, and the rumoured texts with a rugby player, plus Pistorius likely high sense of entitlement (his paralympic loss reaction being an obvious indicator) and the Roid Rage factor, and those all add up to pretty much what happened: A mistake he probably regretted the second after he fired the bullets, but that doesn't change what happened.

The only person who knows what really happened has no incentive to tell the truth, as it totally ends his life. As such I trust nothing he has to say about this.

^


"One of our witnesses heard a fight, two people talking loudly at each other ... from two in the morning to three," Botha told the court. Pistorius' first call after the incident was to the manager of his high-security complex at 3.19 am, Botha said. In an affidavit delivered on Tuesday, Pistorius said he woke in the middle of the night and thought an intruder had climbed through his bathroom window and entered the adjoining toilet".


Maybe Oscar was having an hour long argument with who he thought was an intruder.

Hey you get out of my Bathroom intruder. No Oscar its me. Liar quit trying to sound like my Sheeva get out of bathroom or i will smash this door in with my awesome cricket bat.

Oscar its the roids taking you over again, calm down.

That's it i warned you intruder i'll bladerunner this door in.

Go back to bed Oscar i'm on the lou.

Screw you strange intruder BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM!

wtf it was my Sheeva all along.

Ya that is good Oscar that will work the cops and the naive public will buy that. Gotta call my lawyer and see if he has a better story.
Oscar's stories are just as absurd.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/pist...--finance.html

[trackercowe]

Hilton said the holster for the 9 mm pistol was found under the side of the bed on which Steenkamp slept — also implying it would have been impossible for Pistorius to get the gun without realizing that Steenkamp was not in the bed and could have been the person in the bathroom. Pistorius testified Tuesday that the bedroom was pitch dark

Called it!

Pistorius' best defense now might be to try and plead roid rage and hope for a lighter sentence. I don't see how he won't get convicted if everything stated so far rings true.

[Stay Golden]

He also cited a witness in the upscale gated community near Pretoria where Pistorius lived as saying he heard a shot, followed 17 minutes later by more shots. Another witness spoke of a shot, followed by screams, then more shots, he said.

TRAJECTORY
Botha, who arrived on the scene an hour after the shooting, challenged Pistorius' affidavit.
"I believe he knew she was in the bathroom and he shot four shots through the door," the detective said, adding that the angle at which the rounds were fired suggested they were aimed at somebody on the toilet.

cold blooded.

[Cheese]

Normally if my bathroom is occupied I call out...hey hon is that you in there? I dont go find a weapon and blow the door and whoever is behind it to pieces. WTF is that really?

[North East Goon]

This sociopath didnt think through his defense too good. The trajectory of the bullets plus the holster on the other side of the bed is ripping his story apart.

[bluejays]

Far for me to hope for someone's demise, but it's looking more and more like he killed her in cold blood. Really sad for her family to hear all this, I'm sure.

[darklord700]

The blood stained cricket bat, the holster on the victim's side of the bed, the one bullet casing in the bedroom and the high trajectory of the bullet are the four key elements of the prosecutor's case.

Even without those four elements, I find it not belivable that people would just shoot at a toilet door in the middle of the night because of burglary fear. But I have never been to SA so I can't say.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I don't want to say the prosecution is on the take here, but they certainly did not have a banner day. I'd say Pistorius odds of walking are at least 50/50 and maybe even more. Just like OJ and Casey, the poorly presented case could let the murderer get away with it. Long way to go for sure, but it was a show of ineptness that is not good.

[Drake]

And now we have a whole new twist in this case:

#OscarPistorius #EWN reveals detective leading OP investigation due to appear in court in May - to answer to 7 counts of attempted murder.

#OscarPistorius Police say they're planning to bring more experienced, provincial detectives to work on Pistorius case.

#OscarPistorius Police say there are no plans to pull Botha off the OP case. But after today, we wait and see.

#OscarPistorius Police say Botha was picked to lead OP case because he's a "seasoned detective" and is experienced.

#OscarPistorius Criminal law specialist, William Booth, says revelations about Botha's pending case may affect the OP matter.

#OscarPistorius Booth says Botha should have disclosed the attempted murder charges he is facing.

https://twitter.com/alexeliseev

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by fotze

The fact this is South Africa and all the evidence is so public makes me think maybe he's innocent. Just whenever anything happens in a 3rd world country I totally think the polic are lying and wonder about the other side. I am sure he is guilty and all that but the case unfolding in front of our eyes like a Law and Order episode makes me wonder.

Any crime in Mexico I just think the opposite of what the police have found.

Glad we live where we live.

Hahaha, well there's this.

PRETORIA, South Africa — South African police say the lead investigator in the case against Olympian Oscar Pistorius faces attempted murder charges in an October 2011 shooting.

Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/De...#ixzz2LVo1gvDd

[Flabbibulin]

^^^^^^

good god almighty?!

How likely is it that sloppy police work and this new revelation gets Pistorius out a free a man??

[Senator Clay Davis]

I'm guessing Oscar might be sporting a big wide smile in his next court appearance rather than the crocodile tears he's been displaying to date. What a disaster of a prosecution. Poor Reeva, looks like no justice for you and you spent your last moments being hunted by a roid raging psycho. What a shame.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I don't want to say the prosecution is on the take here, but they certainly did not have a banner day. I'd say Pistorius odds of walking are at least 50/50 and maybe even more. Just like OJ and Casey, the poorly presented case could let the murderer get away with it. Long way to go for sure, but it was a show of ineptness that is not good.

This isn't a trial.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by valo403

This isn't a trial.

Yeah, it's only a bail hearing. How much of this will affect the trail is not known to us in NA?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by darklord700

Yeah, it's only a bail hearing. How much of this will affect the trail is not known to us in NA?

I don't know much about the details of South African law, but they appear to largely follow the common law system when it comes to criminal matters so I would expect things run fairly similar to what we see in Canada from a procedural standpoint. It does seem odd that this bail hearing is going on for days, but there have been multiple recesses each day so that may explain part of it.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by valo403

It does seem odd that this bail hearing is going on for days, but there have been multiple recesses each day so that may explain part of it.

To me, bail hearing in NA is all about fligth risk or how much to set the bail at. In this case, both defense and prosecution are emptying their chamber at each other that it sounds like a real trial.

This detective's blunder will be disasterous had this been the real trial. Now the prosecution can regroup for the real trial, does it really help the accused when they are showing off their hand this early?

[Stay Golden]

So now Oscars defense team shift the blame on the police. Well done low life.
Can't the lead investigator Botha be removed from the case and be replaced this is just a prelim. If the prosecution foresee this a potential stumbling block for them in a prosecution ??
The case hasn't even gone to trial.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

So now Oscars defense team shift the blame on the police. Well done low life.
Can't the lead investigator Botha be removed from the case and be replaced this is just a prelim. If the prosecution foresee this a potential stumbling block for them in a prosecution ??
The case hasn't even gone to trial.

Already done.

http://espn.go.com/olympics/trackand...-case-replaced

PRETORIA, South Africa -- South Africa's police head has appointed its top detective as the new lead investigator in the Oscar Pistorius murder case.

The decision came after it emerged the initial investigator, Hilton Botha, was facing attempted murder charges.

National Commissioner Riah Phiyega says Lt. Gen. Vinesh Moonoo will take over the investigation.

Phiyega says the Pistorius case "shall receive attention at the national level" and Moonoo will "gather a team of highly skilled and experience detectives."

She says Moonoo is the South Africa police's "top detective."