Karlsson injured

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Codes

I have to re-iterate what others have said regarding the incident.

This is a play that happens dozens of times a game. The one time it goes wrong, look who it is. I'm not suggesting this was a pre-meditated incident at all, or that Cooke went in to injure Karlsson, but all it takes is a terrible, split second, brainless decision to bring your skate down on the body rather than the ice. I just can't get over the fact that hockey players are pinned against the boards like this dozens of times a game, and to my recollection similar incidents haven't occurred (I could be wrong).

It seems suspicious, and as far as I'm concerned with Cooke, guilty until proven innocent. And since you can't prove a person's innocence in an incident like this, he's guilty.

Well fortunately for Cooke I guess it doesn't work that way in the modern world.

I'm wondering if Mclean gets fined for his comments and Neils head shot gets a serious look by the league.

McLean's comments were in the neighborhood of Crawfords comments on Moore.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Codes

I have to re-iterate what others have said regarding the incident.

This is a play that happens dozens of times a game. The one time it goes wrong, look who it is. I'm not suggesting this was a pre-meditated incident at all, or that Cooke went in to injure Karlsson, but all it takes is a terrible, split second, brainless decision to bring your skate down on the body rather than the ice. I just can't get over the fact that hockey players are pinned against the boards like this dozens of times a game, and to my recollection similar incidents haven't occurred (I could be wrong).

It seems suspicious, and as far as I'm concerned with Cooke, guilty until proven innocent. And since you can't prove a person's innocence in an incident like this, he's guilty.

Oh FFS, he brings his skate down to get position on the pin. If Karlsson doesn't pull his foot in tighter just before Cooke brings his skate down there's no cut.

I seriously can't believe people like this. This takes the whole culture of finding a way to make every play dirty to a new despicable level.

[$ven27]

I can't believe Sens fans are actually saying Cooke did it on purpose. He's not nearly as dirty as he once was.

[SuperMatt18]

Bad luck play...people who fault Cooke are just looking at his name and are not paying attention to the play that happened.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Maybe it's just me but when my skate is off the ice (for more than a typical cross-over or whatever), I am extremely conscious of it. Not saying I am in control of it, but definitely aware.

I highly doubt this was on purpose, and I wouldn't even go so far as to say he was irresponsible.

But I might venture to say that he may have been less 'aware' than some.

If I'm trying to pin a guy along the boards and my skate is off the ice the only thing I'm really conscious of is getting it back to where it needs to be for me to win that board battle. Now add in the speed, strength and stakes of an NHL game.

[CGY12]

Whoever thinks that was done on purpose has never played hockey in there life.

[Sylvanfan]

My question is why is your skate 12 inches off the ice to pin a guy against the boards? If you want to pin the guy against the boards, your skates should be on the ice and you should be using your legs to be driving the guy into the boards.

So that's why I say it's a careless play and something the NHL should be looking to get players to stop doing.

[OffsideSpecialist]

Originally Posted by $ven27

I can't believe Sens fans are actually saying Cooke did it on purpose. He's not nearly as dirty as he once was.

That's been all the talk around the water cooler today. Frankly, I can't think of a player I have ever liked less than Cooke, but I really don't see how it could possibly be intentional. Of course, people will be suspicious because of who it is and to an extent I can't blame them. Unrelated but Didn't Chris Simon do something similar but worse a few years ago too (only I believe in that case it was intentional)?

[moon]

Originally Posted by $ven27

I can't believe Sens fans are actually saying Cooke did it on purpose. He's not nearly as dirty as he once was.

Sens fans are for the most part idiots so it isn't that surprising.

[Codes]

Oh FFS, Valo, how do you explain away a play that happens thousands of time a year with no similar injury? Listen, I said I don't think Cooke intended to do anything, but because of the person involved, there will always be a shadow of doubt. Cool down, man.

And Captain, I would not normally assume someone is guilty, but Cooke has long lost benefit of the doubt. We know that the NHL and society aren't really equivalent. I realize Cooke has cleaned up his act over the last couple of years. And maybe...it is highly likely...this was a complete freak accident. But, I just don't trust Cooke on the ice.

I'm not trying to demonize Matt Cooke here, or insist he had malicious intent, and carried out this act. I believe it was an accident, but because Matt Cooke was involved, I will always have a lingering suspicion.

I agree that there should be no hearing, or supplemental discipline on the play. It was a hockey play that went terribly wrong, and unless the NHL institutes some kind of fine or suspension rule based purely on injury sustained after player player contact, which would be dumb, then no, nothing should come of this.

I feel bad for Karlsson and the Sens organization. It's a big loss. And I'd be devastated if it happened to any of our players.

[mrkajz44]

First, I don't think it was on purpose. Watching on how fast it all happened it just seems way too unlikely to me that Cooke tried to do that and got his intended result.

More importantly for me, I wonder how much additional damage Karlsson did when he tried to skate back to the bench? I know guys are supposed to be tough and all, but considering the pain he looked to be in, I'm not sure why he tried to "skate it off".

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Codes

Oh FFS, Valo, how do you explain away a play that happens thousands of time a year with no similar injury? Listen, I said I don't think Cooke intended to do anything, but because of the person involved, there will always be a shadow of doubt. Cool down, man.

Jarome Iginla suffered a knee injury in 2007 on a play against the boards that happens thousands of times a year with out similar injuries. What's your point?

And despite your claims otherwise, yes, you are demonizing Cooke, and yes, you are trying to argue it was deliberate. Don't insult people's intelligence by suggesting otherwise.

That said, it's Matt Cooke. Of course people are going to assume guilt. That is Matt Cooke's legacy, and he earned it fair and square. It was my first reaction too. But when you take a step back and look at it without the names involved, there's just nothing there to accuse him of.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

My question is why is your skate 12 inches off the ice to pin a guy against the boards? If you want to pin the guy against the boards, your skates should be on the ice and you should be using your legs to be driving the guy into the boards.

So that's why I say it's a careless play and something the NHL should be looking to get players to stop doing.

Because he was off balance. Karlsson slows up to brace himself from the hit coming from Cooke, Cooke then gets knocked off balance and tried to drive Karlsson into the boards to pin him. 100% Freak accident.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

My question is why is your skate 12 inches off the ice to pin a guy against the boards? If you want to pin the guy against the boards, your skates should be on the ice and you should be using your legs to be driving the guy into the boards.

So that's why I say it's a careless play and something the NHL should be looking to get players to stop doing.

Actually happens quite often when your in pursuit of another guy, especially when the player your pursuing is as shifty as a guy like Karlsson. You think he is going one way and he quickly goes the other way, you try and keep up with him you could easily lose balance for a second and have to try and adjust. It was just an extremely unfortunate freak accident.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

My question is why is your skate 12 inches off the ice to pin a guy against the boards? If you want to pin the guy against the boards, your skates should be on the ice and you should be using your legs to be driving the guy into the boards.

So that's why I say it's a careless play and something the NHL should be looking to get players to stop doing.

Pinning and lifting is pretty standard, it gives the guy you're pinning way less power to move if he's lifted. Cooke's leg is higher going in here, probably because they bump together shortly before they reach the boards putting Cooke off balance and raising his leg up.

[bluloc]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Really? What was careless about it. Hockey is dangerous, crap will happen. Trust me, Cooke has earned any second guessing or scruitany he gets on this, you reap what you sew, is that the saying?

But nothing careless about that play, just really bad luck.

Careless was the part the skate went through his Achilles heel. As difficult as it is to control every player is responsible. Not saying it was on purpose but just seems odd why it's always matt Cooke involved. Let the conspiracy theories begin. Lol

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by bluloc

Careless was the part the skate went through his Achilles heel. As difficult as it is to control every player is responsible. Not saying it was on purpose but just seems odd why it's always matt Cooke involved. Let the conspiracy theories begin. Lol

Cooke is "always involved" because about 90% of his previous incidents were intentional/dirty, however this one wasn't.

[the_professsor]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Jarome Iginla suffered a knee injury in 2007 on a play against the boards that happens thousands of times a year with out similar injuries. What's your point?

I think his point is that it wasn't Matt Cooke involved in that play.

When you combine a freak accident with a player that has a reputation of hurting people intentionally, its harder to digest.

[Bownesian]

I got cut like this in my beer league game last Sunday. Lucky for me it was just 5 stitches and no tendon damage but it was just a freak accident as part of a hockey play.

Given the number of near misses you see on those kinds of plays all the time, I doubt it was anything but dumb luck.

[The Yen Man]

Man, I get squeamish just looking at that replay. I imagine it would have hurt a lot, and just thinking about it makes me shutter involunarily.

I really hope Karlsson makes a full recovery and it doesn't hamper his game. It'd be such a shame. The kid is exciting to watch.