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Itse · 02-14-2013, 06:07 AM

I can see why people see this as a dirty play (although that doesn't necessarily mean the guy doing it would be happy to see it go this bad).

IMO there's no way to tell unless you're a time-travelling psychic who can read what Cooke was thinking at that moment

But I have to go with the "propably an accident" crowd.

What I see is Cooke trying to get his leg between Karlssons legs to pin him, but can't get it there, so he puts it down, with some weight since he's not in perfect balance himself. Actually when you look at that play, you kind of wonder that this doesn't happen more often.

If it wasn't for last season I'd have basicly been glad to use any excuse to get Matt Cooke out as long as possible, regardless of intention. But the guy did turn a corner, and that I think is more proof of his character than a Lady Byng award. How many guys have turned their game around like that? Ever?

Poe969 · 02-14-2013, 06:52 AM

Thoughts and prayers go out to the Sens season...

WilderPegasus · 02-14-2013, 06:58 AM

Looks like Edmonton is going to have a strong challenger for the #1 pick this year. Hopefully the Oilers draft lottery party doesn't have a happy ending this year.

Sylvanfan · 02-14-2013, 07:03 AM

I see this as being similar to players getting a high sticking double minor. Cooke likely didn't intend to do what he did. But I still think he should be responsible for his skate being that far off the ice in a situation where he didn't have to have it up that high. Maybe not a suspension, but a fine for sure as I think this needs to be brought to light that players shouldn't be lifting their skates a foot off the ice when they're still standing.

the_professsor · 02-14-2013, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Itse

What I see is Cooke trying to get his leg between Karlssons legs to pin him, but can't get it there, so he puts it down, with some weight since he's not in perfect balance himself. Actually when you look at that play, you kind of wonder that this doesn't happen more often.

It is odd, a hockey play that happens around 30 times per game (absolute guess here) in the NHL, given 1230 games played per year lets assume this tactic started 5 years ago? This type of play has occurred 185,000 times. The one time it goes wrong and looks who's involved....

FlamesAddiction · 02-14-2013, 08:05 AM

I watched it on highspeed first and thought immediately that it looked suspicious at the very least, so it wasn't an issue of slowing it down. I also agree that who the player involved was, is very relevant to the discussion. I recall Bryan Marchment who had a reputation similar to Cooke, and rightfully so. The fact of the matter is, Bryan Marchment purposely injured a few players, but he was also very sloppy with hits and while "intent" wasn't always there, he didn't really care either. If he accidentally hurt someone, you couldn't remove the "who" from the act.

Having said that, I respect the fact that Aaron Ward (an ex-NHL player) said that it would be very difficult to succeed doing something like that on purpose. The clips they showed of other players using the pinning technique did not show the player having his leg up the way Cooke did though. I realize finding footage for that might be difficult though as it isn't the type of thing people make highlight clips of.

I also don't believe the NHL leaders wouldn't have the pitchforks out if they thought there was even a chance there was intent. You can't take out one of the most talented players in the NHL on purpose and not expect the NHL to take action.

handgroen · 02-14-2013, 08:42 AM

I have a take on this:
Matt Cooke is guilty of the sins of the past.
Part of doing terrible things and having a terrible reputation is losing the benefit of the doubt in the future.
no matter how clean he keeps his nose, matt cooke will always be an ex-con in the nhl, and guess what....he deserves it. i hate him because there's no "take backs" on the guy he used to be.
so he's involved in a bad accident and fans think it was intentional, whether it was or wasn't,
matt cooke is and always will be guilty till proven innocent.

East Coast Flame · 02-14-2013, 09:09 AM

Terrible news for Sens fans. An achilles injury that needs surgery? Yeah, he's done for the season, and possibly some of next season. Brutal.

I can't stand Cooke as much as the next guy, but no way was this intentional. Freak accident.

mac_82 · 02-14-2013, 09:31 AM

I think the recovery time for achilles surgery is faster for a sport like hockey, than say football or soccer. Wearing a hockey skate, there is a lot less ankle movement. For example:

Justin Williams (hockey) - back playing in under 3 months
Surgery: Sept 18, 2008
Back playing: December 4, 2008

David Beckham (soccer) - just under 6 months
Surgery: March 15, 2010
Back playing: Sept 11, 2010

And I could be wrong, but I think the recovery is faster for a "cut" tendon as opposed to a "ruptured" tendon. The rupture ends up looking like spaghetti, but the cut is clean as heals easier.

Coach · 02-14-2013, 09:52 AM

I hate Cooke as much as anyone, but I really can't believe people are even suggesting that this was on purpose. Its a fast moving game with big men on razor sharp blades, s*** happens. No more intentional than Jokinen cutting the neck of Zednik, his own teammate.

That said, any update on the severity of it?

Street Pharmacist · 02-14-2013, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mac_82

I think the recovery time for achilles surgery is faster for a sport like hockey, than say football or soccer. Wearing a hockey skate, there is a lot less ankle movement. For example:

Justin Williams (hockey) - back playing in under 3 months
Surgery: Sept 18, 2008
Back playing: December 4, 2008

David Beckham (soccer) - just under 6 months
Surgery: March 15, 2010
Back playing: Sept 11, 2010

And I could be wrong, but I think the recovery is faster for a "cut" tendon as opposed to a "ruptured" tendon. The rupture ends up looking like spaghetti, but the cut is clean as heals easier.

I don't know either, but a fully cut tendon would have to be stretched and would likely shorten, limiting mobility permanently. I would think a full cut would be worse

East Coast Flame · 02-14-2013, 10:34 AM

TSN is saying no hearing and no supplemental discipline for Cooke.

Dreger says the tendon wasn't completely cut and best-case scenario is 4 months.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 02-14-2013, 10:43 AM

Wow, horrible injury, that sucks bad. As per many others, I hate Cooke, but that isn't even remotely intentional, and if it was, then it's one of the sneakiest plays in NHL history and Cooke really has taken goonery and his skills in this area to another level never before seen in professional sports, and we should all be very very affraid. But, I actually don't think that at all.

OffsideSpecialist · 02-14-2013, 11:08 AM

CBC sports reporter tweets that it cut through 70% if the tendon, as expected full recovery should be 4-6 months.

bluloc · 02-14-2013, 11:41 AM

Careless play by a careless player. We've seen this play a million times without incident, and now something bad happens and ofcourse Matt Cookes involved. Coincidence? Just have to shake my head and wonder.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 02-14-2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bluloc

Careless play by a careless player. We've seen this play a million times without incident, and now something bad happens and ofcourse Matt Cookes involved. Coincidence? Just have to shake my head and wonder.

Really? What was careless about it. Hockey is dangerous, crap will happen. Trust me, Cooke has earned any second guessing or scruitany he gets on this, you reap what you sew, is that the saying?

But nothing careless about that play, just really bad luck.

Tinordi · 02-14-2013, 11:54 AM

Cooke is like one of those RPG #######s that has +2 poison damage with a chance of critical strike on their character.

Codes · 02-14-2013, 11:58 AM

I have to re-iterate what others have said regarding the incident.

This is a play that happens dozens of times a game. The one time it goes wrong, look who it is. I'm not suggesting this was a pre-meditated incident at all, or that Cooke went in to injure Karlsson, but all it takes is a terrible, split second, brainless decision to bring your skate down on the body rather than the ice. I just can't get over the fact that hockey players are pinned against the boards like this dozens of times a game, and to my recollection similar incidents haven't occurred (I could be wrong).

It seems suspicious, and as far as I'm concerned with Cooke, guilty until proven innocent. And since you can't prove a person's innocence in an incident like this, he's guilty.

Coach · 02-14-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Codes

I have to re-iterate what others have said regarding the incident.

This is a play that happens dozens of times a game. The one time it goes wrong, look who it is. I'm not suggesting this was a pre-meditated incident at all, or that Cooke went in to injure Karlsson, but all it takes is a terrible, split second, brainless decision to bring your skate down on the body rather than the ice. I just can't get over the fact that hockey players are pinned against the boards like this dozens of times a game, and to my recollection similar incidents haven't occurred (I could be wrong).

It seems suspicious, and as far as I'm concerned with Cooke, guilty until proven innocent. And since you can't prove a person's innocence in an incident like this, he's guilty.

This was not a decision. Its just the way it happened.

Enoch Root · 02-14-2013, 12:04 PM

Maybe it's just me but when my skate is off the ice (for more than a typical cross-over or whatever), I am extremely conscious of it. Not saying I am in control of it, but definitely aware.

I highly doubt this was on purpose, and I wouldn't even go so far as to say he was irresponsible.

But I might venture to say that he may have been less 'aware' than some.