The Misandry Bubble

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Odd how we can have a hundred post thread defending the rights of gays but then have this thread belittling the real violence and discrimination that women face and standing up for "men's rights."

Of course, women had their "suffrage" so they should be happy now, right? Just like people of color got past segregation, so now racism is over!

This doesn't even go into the horrors that women in other countries face on a daily basis. Genital mutilation, btw, happens a whole lot to women in other nations. While Sharon Osborne might've joked about a man getting hurt, no one even talks about these poor girls who are mutilated every day--and I'd say that ignorance is a whole lot worse than mocking.

Look at how Asian women are treated, both in Asian nations as well as in the US. I'm fortunate enough to be a Caucasian woman, so I don't face nearly what women of color/latinas/asian women deal with on a constant basis.

But nope, women make fun of men sometimes, so the scales are tipped to favor women!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

A current issue - second hand but true.

Family of Men tried protecting a small boy and the Father from an abusive Wife/Mother and the "Policy" was to arrest the father. They came to the shelter and tried to corner him to provoke the father to "assault" the officers. They slowly moved toward him and tried cornering and trapping him into the open back seat of a squad car. Until the mans only option was to assault them (by trying to escape and shoving them out of the way) or get in the car. The Man at Family of Men saw what they were doing and stopped it in time. There is currently communication in the works to correct this issue but the CPS are trying to sweep it under the rug. After all, it was a man and not a woman they were bullying. Even though the man requested help of CPS and to protect the boy and himself. If a woman did what would have happened?

"Second hand but true" no doubt. Sounds like a scene from Planet of the Apes.

Luckily "The Man" was there to stop it in time.

[calumniate]

To be quite honest, lets go back to that 'date' you had where you were the boss..

[MarchHare]

-Who cares if an ugly man is paired with an attractive woman on TV? I got news for you. Upon meeting a woman, a man judges her for her attractiveness and that alone. If you don't pass the boner test, he will not stick around and get to know you for your sparkling personality. The sexes are vastly different, regardless of what Gender/Womens Studies/Liberals tell you.

Speak for yourself, not all men. While I would never date someone whom I did not find sexually attractive (and I suspect most people of both genders would agree with that comment), I absolutely do not judge all women I meet based on their "attractiveness and that alone." What an absolutely horrible comment that is not indicative of the attitudes of all men.

-Yes, promiscuous women are sluts. They are a bad long term investment. Men value more chast behavior from women they wish to commit to. There are biological reasons for this. A man can never be certain of paternity where a woman does have certainty.

This is such a ridiculous thing to say that I'm not sure if you're serious or purposely trolling.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by kirant

I find it's just worse on the Internet as a whole, as are most issues. Racism is a great example of it...people behind a curtain of anonimity, given an audience, don't mind saying things few have the courage to say normally. I think it was Penny Arcade which coined the term "GIFT" to describe it (Greater Internet Fatawad Theory). But as I mentioned earlier, the Internet never seems to tire of the "if you're a woman, show us your boobs" or the "back in the kitchen" jokes. Far past its expiration date. And the ongoing usage makes me wonder if it's an actual issue rather than the non-serious humour it sounded like earlier...because they are as dead as Chuck Norris jokes.


I find it a bit intresting that when Michael Richards throws out racial slurs, his career dies, when Tracy Morgan says he'd pull a knife and stab him, he had to attend sensitivity classes...yet, when Tosh makes such comments, it's the offended party that's told to be less sensitive.

I don't have all the details on Tosh's joke, so I'm in no position to judge, but it's unusual from what I know.

He was making a rape joke, of some form, I forget the exacts, and a woman actually spoke up and said rape isn't funny, to which he exacerbated the situation by saying "Wouldn't it be hilarious if like, five guys came and raped her right now?" (Paraphrasing, but that's the gist of it)

One in four women is sexually assaulted. The chances that assault victims were in his audience is huge.

And then you have ######bags like Jeff Ross who are mediocre comedians, overweight and physically unattractive, attacking hugely successful Adele for her weight? Because a woman is nothing if she's not a size 6, regardless of her achievements.

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

A couple points on your post;

-Daniel Tosh is a comedian. He was attacked promptly for his non-pc act. Meanwhile, men are constantly being portrayed as dumb, violent, uncaring, incompetent fools, and violence against them is funny, because they can take it.
-Who cares if an ugly man is paired with an attractive woman on TV? I got news for you. Upon meeting a woman, a man judges her for her attractiveness and that alone. If you don't pass the boner test, he will not stick around and get to know you for your sparkling personality. The sexes are vastly different, regardless of what Gender/Womens Studies/Liberals tell you.
-Yes, promiscuous women are sluts. They are a bad long term investment. Men value more chast behavior from women they wish to commit to. There are biological reasons for this. A man can never be certain of paternity where a woman does have certainty.

Go on, how else are the sexes "not even close" to being equal?

1) When is the last time a woman was a mass murderer? When's the last time a woman went on a shooting spree? Men are, in general, more violent in large scale events.
2/3) Thank you for reinforcing my points! Men don't care about a woman's mind, only where she lands on the 1-10 scale. And then they want to nail her, of course. But that would ruin her purity! So the woman has a choice--if she refuses to sleep with the man, she's a prude or a tease, how dare she refuse a man something that he wants? But if she DOES sleep with him, she's a slut, and obviously not worthy of a long-term relationship. Do you not see the issue here? Honestly?

As for how are men and women not equal? Who gets paid more? Who pays more for healthcare in the US? Whose reproductive rights are constantly being debated and impeded? Who are used merely as visual stimulation in advertisements? Who are constantly told to "get over it" when someone offends them? When a woman is raped, how often is it said "she was asking for it"?

There are a million ways that women are treated unfairly, and until you actually have a vagina, you have absolutely zero right to say that sexism doesn't exist.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

A couple points on your post;

-Daniel Tosh is a comedian. He was attacked promptly for his non-pc act. Meanwhile, men are constantly being portrayed as dumb, violent, uncaring, incompetent fools, and violence against them is funny, because they can take it.
-Who cares if an ugly man is paired with an attractive woman on TV? I got news for you. Upon meeting a woman, a man judges her for her attractiveness and that alone. If you don't pass the boner test, he will not stick around and get to know you for your sparkling personality. The sexes are vastly different, regardless of what Gender/Womens Studies/Liberals tell you.
-Yes, promiscuous women are sluts. They are a bad long term investment. Men value more chast behavior from women they wish to commit to. There are biological reasons for this. A man can never be certain of paternity where a woman does have certainty.

Go on, how else are the sexes "not even close" to being equal?

I sometimes wonder if this account is just an odd piece of performance art.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by kirant

I don't have all the details on Tosh's joke, so I'm in no position to judge, but it's unusual from what I know.

With Tosh's joke, he started by saying that not all rape jokes were in bad taste and that he had quite a few that were actually funny that he was going to present. A female started heckling him and he responded by saying something along the lines of "I wish someone would rape you right now." And then continued on that vein for a while.

It was quite offensive and I think is right up there with Kramer's response to the heckler at his show. I followed the Tosh story a bit when it came out though and can't remember any support saying that the woman in the audience should toughen up. The best I could find online was that Louis CK tweeted that Tosh was funny after the incident. That was coupled with every other post condemning what he said.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

A couple points on your post;

-Daniel Tosh is a comedian. He was attacked promptly for his non-pc act. Meanwhile, men are constantly being portrayed as dumb, violent, uncaring, incompetent fools, and violence against them is funny, because they can take it.
-Who cares if an ugly man is paired with an attractive woman on TV? I got news for you. Upon meeting a woman, a man judges her for her attractiveness and that alone. If you don't pass the boner test, he will not stick around and get to know you for your sparkling personality. The sexes are vastly different, regardless of what Gender/Womens Studies/Liberals tell you.
-Yes, promiscuous women are sluts. They are a bad long term investment. Men value more chast behavior from women they wish to commit to. There are biological reasons for this. A man can never be certain of paternity where a woman does have certainty.

Go on, how else are the sexes "not even close" to being equal?

Here's a suggestion: speak only for "Mikey the Redneck", and not for anyone else.

Don't say "men thinks this" and "men do that".

Say "Mikey the Redneck thinks this" and "Mikey the Redneck does that".

Your boner tests and game changers and suspicions and assumptions and opinions and theories are all your own. They don't apply to anyone else.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by jamoro

Well next time he should keep his d*** in his pants. It was his choice to make the baby

But once a baby is concieved a man has no choice in wether or not he is to become a parent and a women still does. This is fundementally unequal. Its like saying to a women You can't have an abortion because you made a choice to make a baby.

One gender has a choice to become a parent after conception the other doesn't. Now since a women has a right to her body obviously the male cant demand an abortion but they should have the right to opt out of being a parent. Now this would probably negatively affect society but in terms of equal rights the current situation is very unequal.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

With Tosh's joke, he started by saying that not all rape jokes were in bad taste and that he had quite a few that were actually funny that he was going to present. A female started heckling him and he responded by saying something along the lines of "I wish someone would rape you right now." And then continued on that vein for a while.

It was quite offensive and I think is right up there with Kramer's response to the heckler at his show. I followed the Tosh story a bit when it came out though and can't remember any support saying that the woman in the audience should toughen up. The best I could find online was that Louis CK tweeted that Tosh was funny after the incident. That was coupled with every other post condemning what he said.

A whole bunch of comedians (mostly male) came out in his support, and several have continued to make comments about how women should just "toughen up" if they can't take it. Jeff Ross is the first to come to mind, but there was a laundry list. Louis CK actually was tweeting with regards to something else, and was unaware of the situation, and backed off of his support shortly afterward (which made me incredibly happy, I love Louis CK).

Actually, here's a good example of the rush of support from the comedy brotherhood.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/11/comedians-defend-daniel-tosh-rape-joke-twitter_n_1666072.html#slide=1213364

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

This is such a ridiculous thing to say that I'm not sure if you're serious or purposely trolling.

It's ridiculous, but it is a widely held attitude. It's completely sexist, but it boils down to the belief (which is mostly true) that a woman can have sex largely whenever she wants to, so the ones who don't are to be idolized for exhibiting self-control. The other side of it is ego and insecurity. Guys tend to compete with each other in almost every regard including "sexual conquests." This leads to this idea that if other men have slept with the woman you're with, you've somehow been one-upped.

Again, it's a dumb attitude, but I think it's more a reflection of Western society's unhealthy sexual attitudes/repression.

EDIT: And not to go all Karl Marx here, but this is also a reflection of capitalist values.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Go on, how else are the sexes "not even close" to being equal?

Off the top of your head, who can name the winner of the women's 100 m race in London?

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I am sure they said the same things when the female pill came out decades ago.

Not really. For a man's hormones to be altered in such a way for him to no longer produce sperm that it would be very, very close to chemical castration.

[rubecube]

Also, I don't particularly have a problem with what Tosh did, but then again I don't really think anything is off-limits as long as the intent isn't malicious.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by GGG

But once a baby is concieved a man has no choice in wether or not he is to become a parent and a women still does. This is fundementally unequal. Its like saying to a women You can't have an abortion because you made a choice to make a baby.

One gender has a choice to become a parent after conception the other doesn't. Now since a women has a right to her body obviously the male cant demand an abortion but they should have the right to opt out of being a parent. Now this would probably negatively affect society but in terms of equal rights the current situation is very unequal.

I think this is pretty poor logic. You have a choice before she is pregnant. Once pregnant you have the responsibility to raise and support your child. The law is setup to protect the child first and foremost and what is best for the child is the prime concern. The child didn't chose to be borne into a single family home so why should you be allowed to punish it to spite its mom.
Keep in mind, that if a random encounter ends up with a pregnancy that is carried to term you do still have rights, specifically custody.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

A couple points on your post;

-Who cares if an ugly man is paired with an attractive woman on TV? I got news for you. Upon meeting a woman, a man judges her for her attractiveness and that alone. If you don't pass the boner test, he will not stick around and get to know you for your sparkling personality. The sexes are vastly different, regardless of what Gender/Womens Studies/Liberals tell you.
-Yes, promiscuous women are sluts. They are a bad long term investment. Men value more chast behavior from women they wish to commit to. There are biological reasons for this. A man can never be certain of paternity where a woman does have certainty.

Go on, how else are the sexes "not even close" to being equal?

I realize how you've come to these conclusions, but evo-psych is one of the least rigorous "sciences" existent in an already very soft science. Claiming as fact hypotheses that can be hardly subjected to the scientific method is counter-intuitive to your argument. It's also not biology -- it's psychology, even if it derives some principles from biology.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I realize how you've come to these conclusions, but evo-psych is one of the least rigorous "sciences" existent in an already very soft science. Claiming as fact hypotheses that can be hardly subjected to the scientific method is counter-intuitive to your argument. It's also not biology -- it's psychology, even if it derives some principles from biology.

I'm as big of a fan as evolutionary psychology as anyone, but even the most strident proponent would admit that there are environmental factors they can't always account for.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

I think this is pretty poor logic. You have a choice before she is pregnant. Once pregnant you have the responsibility to raise and support your child. The law is setup to protect the child first and foremost and what is best for the child is the prime concern. The child didn't chose to be borne into a single family home so why should you be allowed to punish it to spite its mom.
Keep in mind, that if a random encounter ends up with a pregnancy that is carried to term you do still have rights, specifically custody.

Both parties have a choice before conception.
One party has a choice after conception.

It is fundementally unequal. It is not debatable.

I agree that it is not in the best interests of the child not to have more single mothers but we are talking about equality not what is good for society.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

If the man wants to carry a fetus around for nine months, let it sap him of his energy, calcium, other nutrients, etc, then by all means, he has a say in the matter. Until a man can carry a fetus to term, he has no say in the matter.

(Obviously committed relationships will have some variance, but the final say, in the end, goes to the woman. Her body.)

I agree the law has to be set up the way it is but it is tragic that a wanted fetus can be killed because it is an incovenience for one party.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I'm as big of a fan as evolutionary psychology as anyone, but even the most strident proponent would admit that there are environmental factors they can't always account for.

I can't really say I'm a fan myself, but it is definitely interesting to read, no question about that. However, to form your modern world view around it like mikey_the_redneck does . . . I don't even know where to begin. To pretend it's not a social science (I realize not everybody does, but the few that do are enough to grate on me) is enough to turn me off from the whole subject at times.