[Rumour] UPD: Gustafsson plans to head to UFA unless Flames up their offer

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

To those who view this as a bad trade: would there have been a level of success in the playoffs that would have made it palatable? Or is this a bad trade even if we made it to the 2nd-3rd round and he put up 15-20 points?

It looks bad losing a 3rd for what we got out of him, but I think a big part of that is colored by the shortened season and lack of playoffs results.

We didn’t win the cup. Every move we’ve ever made since 2005 has not been palatable for the mass of CP.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I actually think he's not so bad of a player, and I think he would fit in here-salary aside.

He's a very good player who would undoubtedly help the Flames. The problem with him is his age paired with the cap hit and length of his contract.

If he was two years younger or his contract was 2 years shorter or $2 million cheaper, people here would have a different viewpoint (I think).

[Number 39]

I think OEL is a very good player but I am concerned that he comes from a losing program (Beyond $ and contract length). I could be mistaken and I certainly don't work in hockey but I believe that counts for something. Back in the 1980’s the Flames traded for Risebrough specifically because he came from a history within a winning program. I believe thats worth something given that the Flames need to take the next step from being a playoff qualifying team to a playoff winning team. The Flames IMO are dont bring in enough assets from winning programs.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

He's a very good player who would undoubtedly help the Flames. The problem with him is his age paired with the cap hit and length of his contract.

If he was two years younger or his contract was 2 years shorter or $2 million cheaper, people here would have a different viewpoint (I think).

I believe you're right. I've said the same thing myself in other threads. It's not really the player that's unlikeable (although he can be rough in his own zone from time to time), it's the contract. I also think that he's been held down a bit playing for that team for so long. If he can get 40 pts a year down there, surely he can do better up here.

[flamesforcup]

If Lucic goes the other way i think you do that trade. Plus you still might have room for Hall. If we can add OEL, Kuemper, and Hall this offseason that would really make our team better.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

If Lucic goes the other way i think you do that trade. Plus you still might have room for Hall. If we can add OEL, Kuemper, and Hall this offseason that would really make our team better.

Yes yes it all sounds glorious for a season, but it’s the next 6-7 that freak me out. That contract anchors that player. It’s too bad, I hate when a good player ends up being a disappointment/whipping boy because of a stupid contract. Like Dions in Toronto. So dumb. Could have been a longtime Leaf and lived out a decent career. But that contract was dumb and it makes a player unwelcome.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yes yes it all sounds glorious for a season, but it’s the next 6-7 that freak me out. That contract anchors that player. It’s too bad, I hate when a good player ends up being a disappointment/whipping boy because of a stupid contract. Like Dions in Toronto. So dumb. Could have been a longtime Leaf and lived out a decent career. But that contract was dumb and it makes a player unwelcome.

Good point. If you add OEL and Hall, you are really hitching your long term success to those two players and their contracts.

At best, that's risky. I'd say it's worse than that.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

If Lucic goes the other way i think you do that trade. Plus you still might have room for Hall. If we can add OEL, Kuemper, and Hall this offseason that would really make our team better.

The Calizona Flayotes. What could possibly go wrong?

[Geeoff]

Gustafsson was definitely the best PP quarterback they've had in a while but he is bad everywhere else

[CroFlames]

PP1 looked significantly better with him on it. On one hand, you'd like him back. On the other hand, isn't it time we started thinking about sacrificing next season to recoup picks?

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

PP1 looked significantly better with him on it. On one hand, you'd like him back. On the other hand, isn't it time we started thinking about sacrificing next season to recoup picks?

1 or 2 years at 2-3m - is that what a PP specialist is worth?

[Toonage]

The problem being, Gustafsson doesn't see himself as just that.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Toonage

The problem being, Gustafsson doesn't see himself as just that.

And the problem for Gustafsson is that, if all the GMs do see him that way, he has little to say about it

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And the problem for Gustafsson is that, if all the GMs do see him that way, he has little to say about it

Pretty much.

The Flames exchanged numbers with him and apparently his ask was much higher than they thought. He'll stick to his guns I would imagine until, like you said, GMs by and large offer him under $4M and he'll settle. Just won't be here.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

1 or 2 years at 2-3m - is that what a PP specialist is worth?

Seems about right. And it is a skill the Flames could use.

The adage used to be that special teams won you playoff games, because 5on5 scoring was so hard to come by. Which should make a player like Gus more valuable.

But it's also why you see forwards back at the point on the PP. Why use up one of your 6 D spots on a guy who can't really defend.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Pretty much.

The Flames exchanged numbers with him and apparently his ask was much higher than they thought. He'll stick to his guns I would imagine until, like you said, GMs by and large offer him under $4M and he'll settle. Just won't be here.

Edmundson may be signing a 2 year at/around 3.75M. If that rumour proves out, that right there shows Gus hitting 3.75-4.5M on a short term deal in my eyes.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Pretty much.

The Flames exchanged numbers with him and apparently his ask was much higher than they thought. He'll stick to his guns I would imagine until, like you said, GMs by and large offer him under $4M and he'll settle. Just won't be here.

Players have different number for different teams.

A lot of guys don't want to play in Calgary but they will if the money is Right.

[dammage79]

We can probably sign someone like Schultz for much cheaper and have a PP guy. Besides, Andersson needs some powwrplay time too.

I dont think Gus will be worth signing at the end of the day.

But, I do understand why the traded for him. Someone to help manage Gios minutes better for a run, untimely injuries shifted their focus from finding that Toffoli type trade to securing defensive depth. Which sucked from my perspective but I get it.

It helped when things got rolling again.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

A third round pick is actually a lot for a rental of this quality.

A very stupid trade in hindsight.

It's Treliving's MO to give away a 3rd round for a rental 3rd pairing defenseman every year the Flames look like they'll make the playoffs. And a 2nd every season or two for a journeyman stop-gap goalie.

[CSharp]

Meh - him, Forbort, and Hanifin - Meh. Time to really look for gritty depth on the D, epsecially on the right hand shot D-man, if they can find one.