So whats happening with Sven these days?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by New Era

The irony of you saying this!

Go on.

[Brando]

As far as I remember Burke said something about Sven not competing in all three zones and that he may only focus or know about competing in one of them. Then Feaster said something similar. I always thought the whole Sven was sulking about having to go to Penticton was actually from a poster here on CP that claimed to have inside info. I could be wrong.

[nik-]

uhh, none of those articles have management even suggesting he has a bad attitude.

They talk about Burke not being impressed with his play in all three zones, Sven being disappointed in being demoted (because of course), then later in the season Burke saying his offensive game isn't where it should be but his three zone play has increased dramatically.

“There are three zones in the ice surfaces in this league. I don’t see that he’s learned to play and compete in two of them. He’s got to learn there’s a clock in this league and there’s so many minutes in the game and that you’ve got to compete through all of it. I see this is a guy who’s focusing on one area [scoring] and even then, sporadically,” Burke said. “So I don’t know what we have.

That is literally the harshest thing said in any of those articles.

If those are what you built your "bad attitude/whiner" case on, then I'm actually embarrassed for you.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Go on.

Exactly.

[nik-]

haha what?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by New Era

Exactly.

Might be the weirdest response in Calgarypuck history.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by nik-

If those are what you built your "bad attitude/whiner" case on, then I'm actually embarrassed for you.

Where the hell did the whiner thing come from? Who said that? My comments about Baertschi and his attitude have been limited to his failure to compete in the development camp and the prospects tournament, comments that were also brought up back around camp. There was an air of entitlement at the time, which faded as the season opened and he got kicked around by management. I actually think Baertschi has done a great job in taking the demotion in stride and doing what he can to improve his game. I see his problem now is he has been passed by multiple players on the depth chart. He is going to have to come to camp in the fall and really turn some heads because he now has a lot more competition.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by New Era

The two threads where they all live are linked in this thread. Feel free to let your fingers do the walking.

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

That's not how it works.

Make a claim, back it up.

Originally Posted by New Era

The irony of you saying this!

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Go on.

Originally Posted by New Era

Exactly.

Just quoted the entire thing to record, what might be, the most insane back and forth I've ever had here. The "exactly" makes no sense whatsoever and actually continues to prove my point.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Just quoted the entire thing to record, what might be, the most insane back and forth I've ever had here. The "exactly" makes no sense whatsoever and actually continues to prove my point.

I was actually poking fun at you, the master of the one or two word response.

To the point, you're one of the last people to back up anything you post. If you are so certain someone is wrong you are free to go ahead and prove it. I know, I know, that is too much work. Much easier to just claim something doesn't exist, stamp your feet, make noise and try to distract from the fact you have even less to back up your claim.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by New Era

I was actually poking fun at you, the master of the one or two word response.

To the point, you're one of the last people to back up anything you post. If you are so certain someone is wrong you are free to go ahead and prove it. I know, I know, that is too much work. Much easier to just claim something doesn't exist, stamp your feet, make noise and try to distract from the fact you have even less to back up your claim.

You're just continuing to prove my point. I consistently back up the posts I make. I've never knowingly ran from a discussion, right or wrong. I've never made a claim and said "now you prove me wrong!". Perhaps there are times I've been asked something and didn't answer but if I make a point, always try my best to either know what I'm talking about, or back it up.

Again, prove what you say, stop with the accusations, and prove something.

[nik-]

Can we all just agree that Sven doesn't have attitude problems and get along?

[saXon]

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by nik-

uhh, none of those articles have management even suggesting he has a bad attitude.

They talk about Burke not being impressed with his play in all three zones, Sven being disappointed in being demoted (because of course), then later in the season Burke saying his offensive game isn't where it should be but his three zone play has increased dramatically.



That is literally the harshest thing said in any of those articles.

If those are what you built your "bad attitude/whiner" case on, then I'm actually embarrassed for you.

Baertschi, the Flames’ first pick in the 2011 draft, has played parts of two seasons in the NHL. There were some people who thought the 20-year-old took too much for granted this September, and, as a result, didn’t compete nearly hard enough to earn his place. Baertschi did survive the final cuts, but the jury is still out on how much and how well he will play this year.

Bad attitude, or doesn't compete nearly hard enough. Take your choice but what I saw in Penticton, he looked disinterested. When I saw him in Abbotsford a few weeks ago he looked involved in the play the way he should be. He just wasn't as offensively effective as his first year in Abbotsford. This could be because a lot more is being asked of him. I hope he comes to camp next season and blows the doors off of all his critics but I won't hold my breath. Right now Paul Byron is the better player.

[nik-]

"some people"

The Fox News method of hiding opinion as reporting.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Bad attitude, or doesn't compete nearly hard enough. Take your choice but what I saw in Penticton, he looked disinterested. When I saw him in Abbotsford a few weeks ago he looked involved in the play the way he should be. He just wasn't as offensively effective as his first year in Abbotsford. This could be because a lot more is being asked of him. I hope he comes to camp next season and blows the doors off of all his critics but I won't hold my breath.

Bad attitude is plenty different then what you're saying though. I do think Sven has a problem getting down on himself but I don't think it's a "bad" attitude.

Right now Paul Byron is the better player.

Yeah, so?

Not to be flippant about it but he's 4 years older then Sven and has 5 years of pro experience.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by nik-

"some people"

The Fox News method of hiding opinion as reporting.

Take it up with Eric Duhatsheck.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

You're just continuing to prove my point. I consistently back up the posts I make. I've never knowingly ran from a discussion, right or wrong. I've never made a claim and said "now you prove me wrong!". Perhaps there are times I've been asked something and didn't answer but if I make a point, always try my best to either know what I'm talking about, or back it up.

Again, prove what you say, stop with the accusations, and prove something.

Really? So when you say, "Make a claim, back it up" that is not you saying your position is correct and you don't have to prove it? How about we play that game with you. You are claiming Baertschi doesn't have any attitude issues or displayed attitude problems around development camp and the prospects tournament. Well, prove it. Please present concrete proof that management did not think he had attitude problems around that time frame. Back it up.

Originally Posted by nik-

Can we all just agree that Sven doesn't have attitude problems and get along?

Possibly, on both accounts.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Take it up with Eric Duhatsheck.

I'm not sure how I'd do that, but really, what does "some people" even mean?

Some people in the organization? Some people at the concession stand? Some people on a message forum? Some people you were sitting next to in the crowd? Some other reporters?

There's no legitimacy to that and I'm actually surprised Duhatschek would do that.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by New Era

Really? So when you say, "Make a claim, back it up" that is not you saying your position is correct and you don't have to prove it? How about we play that game with you. You are claiming Baertschi doesn't have any attitude issues or displayed attitude problems around development camp and the prospects tournament. Well, prove it. Please present concrete proof that management did not think he had attitude problems around that time frame. Back it up

You're asking me to prove a negative?

The onus is on the person making the claim, the burden of proof is on you. You can't just turn it around and make it an appeal to ignorance. I think you've gone full loony here. That's not the way it works, on Calgarypuck or in life.

Also..

Really? So when you say, "Make a claim, back it up" that is not you saying your position is correct and you don't have to prove it?

No, it isn't. It's asking the person who said something to back it up with evidence.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Bad attitude is plenty different then what you're saying though. I do think Sven has a problem getting down on himself but I don't think it's a "bad" attitude.


Yeah, so?

Not to be flippant about it but he's 4 years older then Sven and has 5 years of pro experience.

I'm not saying he's telling his coach to shove it but if entitlement is a bad attitude than IMO he's been guilty.

Other prospects have passed him and he needs to earn his spot. Feaster no longer is able to protect him.