Israel declares war on Hamas

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Bagor

It's a pity there's all that international media around to verify any hospital was a command centre claims.

At 3:03 of the clip, CBC also interviewed the very corrupt fellow from the UNRWA, Sam Rose! That guy totally looks like Hamas!

[GreenLantern2814]

It’s been over a year - perhaps it’s time to change the title to “Gaza Genocide”.

[pepper24]

Samidoun, group behind 'death to Canada' chant, listed as terrorist entity - Global News

https://globalnews.ca/news/10812072/...rorist-entity/

[Language]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://web.archive.org/web/20060830...%2F26%2F147212

Perhaps you expect too much? I mean, part of their original mission was to get Israel out of Lebanon, but Israel seems to be in Lebanon, so they must be failing, and maybe Lebanon should shoot at them for that failure?

Well, I think you have it slightly backwards. UNIFIL’s original mandate when it was created in 1978 was indeed to confirm Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.

Then in 2006, its mandate was expanded to, among some other things, “Assist the Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) in taking steps towards the establishment between the Blue Line and the Litani river of an area free of any armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the Government of Lebanon and of UNIFIL deployed in this area.” That quote is taken directly from their website.

Based on the above, it’s more than clear that they have failed miserably at their mandate, as everyone and their cat knows that Hezbollah has been using southern Lebanon as a staging area for rocket attacks and entrenching themselves there, etc.

So indeed, Israel is currently in Lebanon. And it has to do with UNIFIL being completely unable to perform on their mandate, leaving it up to Israel again to deal with it militarily.


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[Language]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

When you follow up on several posts talking about U.N. peacekeepers being attacked with a tirade about how useless they are, you’re justifying the attack on them. It’s classic deflection - people here aren’t stupid.

By the way, I want to know you (and the other Pro-IDF poster’s) opinion on the IDF using the Palestinians as human shields? You know, the same thing that they say is terrible and justifies them indiscriminately bombing Gaza because Hamas is using human shields. Doesn’t seem like something “the most moral military in the world” that “does everything they can to reduce civilian casualties” would do, does it?

No deflecting, just an answer - how is this acceptable?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/w...smid=url-share

No, you’re putting words in my mouth. Not once did I justify it, and it’s not deflection, it’s simply your inability to comprehend what I’m saying and separate it from what you’d like to believe that I’m saying.

I posted about UNIFIL’s ineptitude because the discussion was on UNIFIL, so felt like a good time to bring up their complete ineptitude, as to one of the reasons why Israel now needs to deal with the situation there.

Regarding the article you posted. It’s wrong to use human shields. If posting that article isn’t “classic deflection” then I don’t know what is. It has nothing to do with my post. At all.


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[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Language

I posted about UNIFIL’s ineptitude because the discussion was on UNIFIL, so felt like a good time to bring up their complete ineptitude, as to one of the reasons why Israel now needs to deal with the situation there.

What are you rambling about? What has all that got to do with Israel deliberately firing on UNIFIL positions? Are you seriously trying to imply that it's UNIFIL's fault that Israel is firing on them?

Can you clarify? Is there any excuse or justification in your mind for Israel firing on UNIFIL?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Language

No, you’re putting words in my mouth. Not once did I justify it, and it’s not deflection, it’s simply your inability to comprehend what I’m saying and separate it from what you’d like to believe that I’m saying.

I posted about UNIFIL’s ineptitude because the discussion was on UNIFIL, so felt like a good time to bring up their complete ineptitude, as to one of the reasons why Israel now needs to deal with the situation there.

Regarding the article you posted. It’s wrong to use human shields. If posting that article isn’t “classic deflection” then I don’t know what is. It has nothing to do with my post. At all.


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Sorry, can you explain why you think the discussion was on UNIFIL?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Language

Well, I think you have it slightly backwards. UNIFIL’s original mandate when it was created in 1978 was indeed to confirm Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.

Then in 2006, its mandate was expanded to, among some other things, “Assist the Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) in taking steps towards the establishment between the Blue Line and the Litani river of an area free of any armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the Government of Lebanon and of UNIFIL deployed in this area.” That quote is taken directly from their website.

Based on the above, it’s more than clear that they have failed miserably at their mandate, as everyone and their cat knows that Hezbollah has been using southern Lebanon as a staging area for rocket attacks and entrenching themselves there, etc.

So indeed, Israel is currently in Lebanon. And it has to do with UNIFIL being completely unable to perform on their mandate, leaving it up to Israel again to deal with it militarily.


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I don't have anything "slightly backwards" I said "original mission." And if you look at it from what Hezbollah might be thinking, perhaps they view it as an existential survival issue that Hezbollah must be there to protect against incursions from Israel? When you view Israel as the victims of everything, sometimes you neglect the reasoning behind why others might be doing things, other than being "rabid animals".

Remember, the reason Israel is in Lebanon now is because they have been so inhumane in Gaza and the Al-Aqsa mosque incident(which, again, #### religion. Another unnecessary conflict it escalated) . Almost like action->reaction is a thing.

The Times of Israel reported a senior Israeli official's assessment that police "went too far" in their treatment of the Palestinians, that it lent weight to the al-Aqsa is in danger rallying cry, encouraged Israel’s enemies, and damaged Israel's reputation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Al-Aqsa_clashes

Israel repeatedly puts itself in situations that make matters worse.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Language

No, you’re putting words in my mouth. Not once did I justify it, and it’s not deflection, it’s simply your inability to comprehend what I’m saying and separate it from what you’d like to believe that I’m saying.

I posted about UNIFIL’s ineptitude because the discussion was on UNIFIL, so felt like a good time to bring up their complete ineptitude, as to one of the reasons why Israel now needs to deal with the situation there.

Regarding the article you posted. It’s wrong to use human shields. If posting that article isn’t “classic deflection” then I don’t know what is. It has nothing to do with my post. At all.


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I think if anybody has an inability to comprehend something, it’s you not being able to comprehend that you admit many of the things the IDF is doing wrong, but then blindly support them no matter what they do.

Zero accountability needed in your world. As long as it serves their mission, you will blindly support them. Talk about an inability to comprehend.

[Language]

Originally Posted by Bagor

What are you rambling about? What has all that got to do with Israel deliberately firing on UNIFIL positions? Are you seriously trying to imply that it's UNIFIL's fault that Israel is firing on them?



Can you clarify? Is there any excuse or justification in your mind for Israel firing on UNIFIL?

I don’t know why I don’t have you on ignore yet Mr. Genocide. Where did I imply any of that? You have serious reading comprehension skills. Show me anywhere in my post where I implied it was ok for Israel to fire on the peacekeepers. I already responded to Prince’s prior post and explicitly said I don’t agree with it.

It’s rambling now if someone called out the organization that has thousands of peacekeepers in the region but can’t do jack #### to actually be a peacekeeper due to its ineptitude?

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sorry, can you explain why you think the discussion was on UNIFIL?

The discussion was on Israel apparently firing on the UN peacekeepers, aka UNIFIL. Therefore, the discussion was on UNIFIL, was it not? I then took it as an opportunity to mention that UNIFIL was inept at maintaining its mission. Then you and others took that as me justifying that it’s ok if Israel fires at them, which I’ve already said I don’t agree with in my prior post.

Is there some script I’m supposed to stay on? Please tell me when you’re done talking about a subject matter so I’m allowed to bring up the next topic, good sir.

At this point it’s comedic watching you all jump on someone for literally speaking the truth about a useless organization, and then putting words in their mouth and then getting even more offended about what you’ve conjured up in your head.


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[activeStick]

PBS reporter on the Israeli strikes that killed a family of 23 in Lebanon, 2 of which were babies.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1846182954357194817

[Looch City]

Yes but they voted for Hamas. Wait no I mean Hezbollah.

Hezbollah used them as human shields.

And where was the UN to protect them?? Useless.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Language

I don’t know why I don’t have you on ignore yet Mr. Genocide. Where did I imply any of that? You have serious reading comprehension skills. Show me anywhere in my post where I implied it was ok for Israel to fire on the peacekeepers. I already responded to Prince’s prior post and explicitly said I don’t agree with it.

It’s rambling now if someone called out the organization that has thousands of peacekeepers in the region but can’t do jack #### to actually be a peacekeeper due to its ineptitude?

Ooooh the drama. He's going to put me on ignore! Who gives a flying eff about your ignore list and you being triggered by the word Genocide.

Your rambling is silly, pointless and irrelevant to the topic being discussed. ie the targetting of UNIFIL by the genocide gang.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Yes but they voted for Hamas. Wait no I mean Hezbollah.

Hezbollah used them as human shields.

And where was the UN to protect them?? Useless.

If you look closely at the rubble it is clear that underneath the building was a major Hezbollah command centre.

[Language]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Ooooh the drama. He's going to put me on ignore! Who gives a flying eff about your ignore list and you being triggered by the word Genocide.

Your rambling is silly, pointless and irrelevant to the topic being discussed. ie the targetting of UNIFIL by the genocide gang.

I can assure you I’m the furthest from triggered. You’re just a broken record at this point.

If you don’t like my “rambling”, here’s an idea - you can just ignore it yourself.


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[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Language

If you don’t like my “rambling”, here’s an idea - you can just ignore it yourself.

No.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Language

The discussion was on Israel apparently firing on the UN peacekeepers, aka UNIFIL. Therefore, the discussion was on UNIFIL, was it not? I then took it as an opportunity to mention that UNIFIL was inept at maintaining its mission.

It’s like it’s right there in front of you, but incredibly, you can’t figure out the problem.

“The discussion was on Israel firing on UN peacekeepers…

…I took it as an opportunity to mention the peacekeepers were inept.”

Israel fires on peacekeepers, and your first thought is, “well, those peacekeepers are inept.”

Again. One more time, to see if you can actually walk yourself through this. Israel fires on peacekeepers > “well, they were bad at their job”

That’s insane.

Some script? I don’t know man, most human beings who aren’t blood-hungry weirdos wouldn’t blow past “country fires on peacekeepers” so they can get right into the quality of work the targets have been putting out. I think most people don’t need to be prodded into talking about the actual story and the thing 99% of people who read it would comment on.

[GGG]

We could accept that Language didn’t intend to deflect from Israel attacking the UN and he disagrees with them doing and Language could accept that some people viewed that comment as an attempt to justify it until he clarified his post. Then we could all move on. If people gave people the benefit of the doubt in their posts and clarified before attacking it would be much more readable.

[BigThief]

Sure sure, that sounds magical. At some point benefit of doubt runs out.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Language

Well, I think you have it slightly backwards. UNIFIL’s original mandate when it was created in 1978 was indeed to confirm Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.

Then in 2006, its mandate was expanded to, among some other things, “Assist the Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) in taking steps towards the establishment between the Blue Line and the Litani river of an area free of any armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the Government of Lebanon and of UNIFIL deployed in this area.” That quote is taken directly from their website.

Based on the above, it’s more than clear that they have failed miserably at their mandate, as everyone and their cat knows that Hezbollah has been using southern Lebanon as a staging area for rocket attacks and entrenching themselves there, etc.

So indeed, Israel is currently in Lebanon. And it has to do with UNIFIL being completely unable to perform on their mandate, leaving it up to Israel again to deal with it militarily.


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I don't think you understand what UN Peacekeepers actually do. They are not Peace Enforcement, they are not UN Resolution Police. They are there to facilitate the peace process, but resolutions are up to the individual States to live up to.

UNIFIL has no mandate to hunt down terrorists and keep the south clear of weapons. Lebanon has that responsibility. UNIFIL as part of SC 1701 are there to assist the LAF in achieving that goal, they are not there to achieve it for them.

Neither side, Israel or Lebanon have really lived up to the terms of the 2006 ceasefire, and that is on them, not on UNIFIL. By your logic, UNIFIL is also a failure because they didn't shoot down Israeli jets and drones that have been violating Lebanon's airspace for years.

They are there to monitor, assist and protect civilian life. They are not there to enforce the ceasefire or the conditions of SC resolutions.