Israeli security officials have reportedly accused the government of neglecting hostage negotiations with Hamas, instead prolonging the war as part of a possible plan to seize and resettle part of the Strip, according to the Haaretz daily.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly denied accusations that Israel is seeking to re-establish civilian settlements within the enclave as it battles Hamas, but far-right members of his cabinet have openly pushed to reverse Israel’s 2005 pullout of civilians and troops from Gaza.
At the same time, the government has faced allegations — including by defense officials, hostage families, and other informed sources — that it is not doing enough to bring about a deal aimed at freeing the approximately 100 hostages still in Gaza for over a year.
Unnamed defense officials cited by Haaretz on Sunday claimed that the political leadership hasn’t brought up the issue of the hostages with international mediators since the last round of negotiations collapsed in August.
Bibi swapping hostages for land, I guess. Almost like months ago when I said he didn't care about the hostages, and ultimately he just wants all the land for Israel, I may have been right, instead of a terrorist or whatever BS was lobbed at me by the Bibi supporters.
Bibi swapping hostages for land, I guess. Almost like months ago when I said he didn't care about the hostages, and ultimately he just wants all the land for Israel, I may have been right, instead of a terrorist or whatever BS was lobbed at me by the Bibi supporters.
As we’ve seen in this thread, the current Israeli government and their supporters don’t care about hostages beyond their use as rhetorical tools to justify civilian deaths.
Not even the hostages believe the Israeli government cares about them anymore, and people here respond by denigrating and then and their families for daring to go against the government.
It would appear that, like a child, Israel is trying to find out exactly how much the world will put up with by turning it up a notch in each subsequent event. From detonating explosives at a UNIFIL watch tower a couple of days ago causing 2 peace keepers to sustain serious injuries when falling out of the tower on to the ground, today, the IDF blew open UNIFIL's main position with 2 tanks and then forcibly entered the UN base.
So Israel is asking the UN to leave, saying they're just allowing Hezbollah to use them as human shields. While also saying their tanks only entered the UN position to evacuate wounded... so they were using the UN troops as human shields
What exactly has UNIFIL accomplished since the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war that brings any sort of value to the region?
They’re supposed to be “peacekeepers” but are incapable of keeping any sort of peace.
They’ve been incapable of enforcing Resolution 1701, that was supposed to keep Hezbollah above the Litani River border area. They did nothing to enforce it. They’ve done nothing but watch while Hezbollah builds tunnels right under their nose that was also going to be used to attack Israel. They’ve done nothing to stop the buildup of Hezbollah’s terror bases in southern Lebanon. They’ve done nothing to stop the thousands of rockets that Hezbollah has attacked Israel with.
It’s an utter wasteful organization that essentially bleeds resources dry with absolutely zero results to show for it.
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What exactly has UNIFIL accomplished since the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war that brings any sort of value to the region?
They’re supposed to be “peacekeepers” but are incapable of keeping any sort of peace.
They’ve been incapable of enforcing Resolution 1701, that was supposed to keep Hezbollah above the Litani River border area. They did nothing to enforce it. They’ve done nothing but watch while Hezbollah builds tunnels right under their nose that was also going to be used to attack Israel. They’ve done nothing to stop the buildup of Hezbollah’s terror bases in southern Lebanon. They’ve done nothing to stop the thousands of rockets that Hezbollah has attacked Israel with.
It’s an utter wasteful organization that essentially bleeds resources dry with absolutely zero results to show for it.
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I wish pro-Israel government folks knew how completely unsurprising it is to see them justify firing at peacekeepers on purpose by saying “well they weren’t doing a very good job.”
Anyone you folks actually mind killing?
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I wish pro-Israel government folks knew how completely unsurprising it is to see them justify firing at peacekeepers on purpose by saying “well they weren’t doing a very good job.”
Anyone you folks actually mind killing?
Since you quoted my post, I assume you’re referring to me. However, no where in my post did I say it’s ok for Israel to fire at the peacekeepers. I think that’s wrong and they should not be firing at them. Where did you see me justifying it?
My point was and still is, that UNIFIL is completely useless. They should remove themselves from the situation entirely because they have zero ability to keep the peace and are putting their own lives at stake by remaining in the middle of an active war zone. They do nothing to serve their own mandate.
Since you quoted my post, I assume you’re referring to me. However, no where in my post did I say it’s ok for Israel to fire at the peacekeepers. I think that’s wrong and they should not be firing at them. Where did you see me justifying it?
My point was and still is, that UNIFIL is completely useless. They should remove themselves from the situation entirely because they have zero ability to keep the peace and are putting their own lives at stake by remaining in the middle of an active war zone. They do nothing to serve their own mandate.
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When you follow up on several posts talking about U.N. peacekeepers being attacked with a tirade about how useless they are, you’re justifying the attack on them. It’s classic deflection - people here aren’t stupid.
By the way, I want to know you (and the other Pro-IDF poster’s) opinion on the IDF using the Palestinians as human shields? You know, the same thing that they say is terrible and justifies them indiscriminately bombing Gaza because Hamas is using human shields. Doesn’t seem like something “the most moral military in the world” that “does everything they can to reduce civilian casualties” would do, does it?
No deflecting, just an answer - how is this acceptable?
Mr. Shubeir, then 17, said he was forced to walk handcuffed through the empty ruins of his hometown, Khan Younis, in southern Gaza, searching for explosives set by Hamas. To avoid being blown up themselves, the soldiers made him go ahead, Mr. Shubeir said.
In one wrecked building, he stopped in his tracks: Running along the wall, he said, was a series of wires attached to explosives.
“The soldiers sent me like a dog to a booby-trapped apartment,” said Mr. Shubeir, a high school student. “I thought these would be the last moments of my life.”
17. Do you want to make yourself some future terrorists? This is how you make future terrorists. Morons.
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A few days before his release, the soldiers untied his hands and made him wear an Israeli military uniform, he said. Then they set him loose, telling him to wander the streets, so that Hamas fighters might fire at him and reveal their positions, he said. The Israelis followed at a distance, out of sight.
His hands free for the first time in days, he considered trying to flee, he said.
Then he decided against it.
“The quadcopter was following me and watching what I was doing,” he said. “They will shoot me.”
What exactly has UNIFIL accomplished since the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war that brings any sort of value to the region?
They’re supposed to be “peacekeepers” but are incapable of keeping any sort of peace.
They’ve been incapable of enforcing Resolution 1701, that was supposed to keep Hezbollah above the Litani River border area. They did nothing to enforce it. They’ve done nothing but watch while Hezbollah builds tunnels right under their nose that was also going to be used to attack Israel. They’ve done nothing to stop the buildup of Hezbollah’s terror bases in southern Lebanon. They’ve done nothing to stop the thousands of rockets that Hezbollah has attacked Israel with.
It’s an utter wasteful organization that essentially bleeds resources dry with absolutely zero results to show for it.
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. There is no enemy [inaudible] in a peacekeeping force. UNIFIL is a peacekeeping force. It’s not a Israeli combat force or an anti-terror force, as they would like it to be. As long as we don’t serve their direct interests, they are going to denigrate it as much as they can.
Perhaps you expect too much? I mean, part of their original mission was to get Israel out of Lebanon, but Israel seems to be in Lebanon, so they must be failing, and maybe Lebanon should shoot at them for that failure?
Since you quoted my post, I assume you’re referring to me. However, no where in my post did I say it’s ok for Israel to fire at the peacekeepers. I think that’s wrong and they should not be firing at them. Where did you see me justifying it?
My point was and still is, that UNIFIL is completely useless. They should remove themselves from the situation entirely because they have zero ability to keep the peace and are putting their own lives at stake by remaining in the middle of an active war zone. They do nothing to serve their own mandate.
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Sure. You just responded to reports of them being fired on by making a post complaining about how they don’t do their job properly anyway. Everyone got your point, it wasn’t complex.
You might say you think it’s wrong, but we both know nobody is stupid enough to actually believe you care since it wasn’t even worth a mention. Hell, even saying they “are putting their own lives at stake” is hilarious as you skirt around the fact that their lives appear to be in danger from the government you’re still “cheering on.” Hilarious.
People in northern Gaza could be forced to ‘surrender or starve’
The Generals’ Plan was presented to the parliament last month by a group of retired generals and high-ranking officers, according to publicly available minutes. Since then, officials from the prime minister’s office called seeking more details, according to its chief architect, Giora Eiland, a former head of the National Security Council.
Israeli media reported that Netanyahu told a closed parliamentary defense committee session that he was considering the plan.
“They will either have to surrender or to starve,” Eiland said. “It doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re going to kill every person,” he said. “It will not be necessary. People will not be able to live there (the north). The water will dry up.”
Human rights groups are appalled.
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“I’m most concerned by how the plan seems to say that if the population is given a chance to evacuate and they don’t, then somehow they all turn into legitimate military targets, which is absolutely not the case,” said Tania Hary, executive director of Gisha, an Israeli organization dedicated to protecting Palestinians’ right to move freely within Gaza.
The copy of the plan shared with the AP says that if the strategy is successful in northern Gaza, it could then be replicated in other areas, including tent camps further to the south sheltering hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.
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Human rights groups say the plan would likely starve civilians and that it flies in the face of international law, which prohibits using food as a weapon and forcible transfers. Accusations that Israel is intentionally limiting food to Gaza are central to the genocide case brought against it at the International Court of Justice, charges Israel denies.
A coalition of Israeli NGOs on Monday urged the international community to act, noting that “there are alarming signs that the Israeli military is beginning to quietly implement” the plan.
“States have an obligation to prevent the crimes of starvation and forcible transfer,” they wrote, warning that continuing a “‘wait and see’ approach will enable Israel to liquidate northern Gaza.”
