2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Nonothinman]

Originally Posted by Sandman

All we need is for the team to peak at the right time- just before the playoffs begin.

THIS... we don't need to peak in January... stay with the pack and go on a heater March and then hit the playoffs where anything can happen.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If, if, if…

Lots of ifs here. Their record is not a result of bad luck. In many of the losses Flames were embarrassingly bad.

Ive been patient all season, but we are getting to crunch time. They have two weeks to show that theyve figured it out. If they dont then it would be crazy to deal picks and futures for short term help.

Right now they are more than a top line winger and defender upgrade away from being a contender.

I don’t totally agree with you. The Flames have the talent in my mind. Their issues are between the ears. Not sure how to gauge when that gets figured out.

As an example. Last game. Kadri passing right to the Rangers player setting up a breakaway and goal. It’s stuff like that burning the Flames. It’s rarely being physically outmatched. I can only think of a couple of games where they looked physically outmatched. Mentally outmatched though? That’s every other game.

[NewFan]

Our trade target should be not for this year. So I hope we don't trade for rental player. If we do ta trade we need to bring i a player that can help next year. In 2024 most of value players' contact will expire and the team needs to choose what way they need to go.
I hope Treliving can trade for top 4D this off season and bring somebody impact Forward during 23-24 season.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Our trade target should be not for this year. So I hope we don't trade for rental player. If we do ta trade we need to bring i a player that can help next year. In 2024 most of value players' contact will expire and the team needs to choose what way they need to go.
I hope Treliving can trade for top 4D this off season and bring somebody impact Forward during 23-24 season.

Killington is that top 4D.

We absolutely need another impact forward though.

[Monahammer]

Getting back to the rumors, I am all for picking up Schenn still, as long as the cost is ~<2nd round pick at most. This is a much better version of Gudbranson that Sutter can sink into. I also don't think he'd be super expensive to re-sign if the fit is good. Is a league leader in hits and blocks, and has shown some decent offensive contribution this season on a terrible team.

I am also still interested in someone like Mantha potentially. Buy low candidates.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Getting back to the rumors, I am all for picking up Schenn still, as long as the cost is ~<2nd round pick at most. This is a much better version of Gudbranson that Sutter can sink into. I also don't think he'd be super expensive to re-sign if the fit is good. Is a league leader in hits and blocks, and has shown some decent offensive contribution this season on a terrible team.

I am also still interested in someone like Mantha potentially. Buy low candidates.

Totally agree on Schenn, no interest in Mantha. I watch a lot of capitals games and the guy gives James Neal effort out there. Pass

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Getting back to the rumors, I am all for picking up Schenn still, as long as the cost is ~<2nd round pick at most. This is a much better version of Gudbranson that Sutter can sink into. I also don't think he'd be super expensive to re-sign if the fit is good. Is a league leader in hits and blocks, and has shown some decent offensive contribution this season on a terrible team.

I am also still interested in someone like Mantha potentially. Buy low candidates.

I have zero interest in spending picks on players like Schenn. He’s just not very good.

You can sign players like him every off-season. Sinking picks into players like that is bad for organizational health.

[Naitix]

The reason for getting Schenn is that Stone is really not good, and we need a solid 3rd pairing. But, Schenn won't make this team a contender so what's the point you know.

If we spend anything big on a good player, we need to also improve our 3rd pairing. Do not see much point in wasting picks on Schenn unless our offence and goaltending looks good closer to trade deadline.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Naitix

The reason for getting Schenn is that Stone is really not good, and we need a solid 3rd pairing. But, Schenn won't make this team a contender so what's the point you know.

If we spend anything big on a good player, we need to also improve our 3rd pairing. Do not see much point in wasting picks on Schenn unless our offence and goaltending looks good closer to trade deadline.

No player available at the deadline makes any team a contender. Contenders always add depth: middle six scoring and depth defencemen.

When Calgary went to the finals, they suffered at the end of the day because they ran out of useful defencemen. That has influenced Sutter to this day. Plus, I am pretty confident Kylington isn't coming back (and even if he does, it's a big guess as to if he can even play well).

BUT: If they could add a forward that clicks with Huberdeau, no matter how good that forward is now, it's like adding a top forward. So if Kane has been just biding his time, for example, that's a game changer.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I have zero interest in spending picks on players like Schenn. He’s just not very good.

You can sign players like him every off-season. Sinking picks into players like that is bad for organizational health.

I agree and it's the Flames way of doing things year in and year out. This team isn't good enough to be buying.

I also believe it's not just the picks they trade, it's not giving young players a real shot and hope the experience they gain this year pays off next year.

I just went through every team in the NHL since 2000-01 and compared them to the Flames to see where the Flames rank vs the rest of the league in regular season and playoff success. I picked 2000-01 as the Flames went to the cup in 04 and 2000-01 was the start of having an elite power forward in Iginla. 2000-01 was his first 30 goal season and 70-point season and the next year was his 52-goal art ross season. Shortly after, the cap came in and it was something that would level the playing field for the Flames. No longer did we have to worry about losing our top guys to rich teams. So how have things gone?

100+ point regular seasons: (shortened season used .610 point %)

The Flames - 3

Teams with less seasons:
Arizona - 1
Columbus - 1
Vegas - 2 (5 seasons)
Seattle - 0 (1 season)
Winnipeg - 1 (since 2011/12)

Vegas, Seattle and Winnipeg are all on pace for 100 this season. If Vegas gets it and we don't, that is 4 teams with less than us and 2 haven't been around since 2000-01. Arizona and Columbus are all we are better than?

Times making the Playoffs:

Flames - 10

Teams with less:

Carolina - 8
Edmonton - 6
Columbus - 6
Arizona - 5
Buffalo - 5
Florida - 4
Vegas - 4
Winnipeg - 4
Seattle - 0

Playoff series wins:

Flames - 5

Teams with less:

Toronto - 4
Minnesota - 4
Winnipeg - 3
Arizona - 2
Florida - 1
Columbus - 1
Seattle - 0

The Flames have been to the finals 1 time. There are only 9 teams that haven't been to the finals once. 12 different teams have a cup as well. It's hard to win but 12 different teams have done it in the 20+ years. Almost half the league.

Starting with a building block like Iginla and a salary cap to help level the playing field the Flames really are only much more successful than Columbus and Arizona. Every other team is either on par or more successful in this stretch. Most other teams will rebuild, sell when they should sell and promote young players that are ready to play and allow them to play through some tough stretches because they see the potential. Something has to change and IMO they need to play the young guys and maybe even sell this deadline. Let's for once not just look at what helps us win this year and this year only. This team is ok, but they aren't great.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No player available at the deadline makes any team a contender. Contenders always add depth: middle six scoring and depth defencemen.

When Calgary went to the finals, they suffered at the end of the day because they ran out of useful defencemen. That has influenced Sutter to this day. Plus, I am pretty confident Kylington isn't coming back (and even if he does, it's a big guess as to if he can even play well).

BUT: If they could add a forward that clicks with Huberdeau, no matter how good that forward is now, it's like adding a top forward. So if Kane has been just biding his time, for example, that's a game changer.

It wasn't a deadline deal, but the Flames added Kipper in 04. He was pretty decent and a pretty significant add.

That team wasn't a top team in the regular season but they were once ther added Kipper. This year's team is not a top team. They trade for anyone it's a young player who is an RFA that can help next year as well

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Nonothinman

THIS... we don't need to peak in January... stay with the pack and go on a heater March and then hit the playoffs where anything can happen.

Lol, been this mindset around here for 20 years

Anything CAN happen but do you know what DOES happen? Bad teams like this get bounced in the first round and good teams compete

This team has “bounce us in 5 games in the first round” stamped on their forehead

[neo45]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The fact that Huberdeau and Markstom have been this bad and the Flames would lead the division with THREE more wins should give people hope if anything

if the Flames added a good forward and a decent dman who in the west would you be scared of? honestly?

Or maybe our division is just bad and and there’s still 4 teams ahead of us in it lol

[FlamesAddiction]

This team hasn't given me a lot of confidence this year, but it is true that they can go on a heater still and change the outcome of the season. It is very often the case that teams which make the playoffs, do so because of one hot stretch during the season. Even last season, this team did a lot of damage in a short period of time before regressing back to a more normal winning percentage. And that is the case with a lot of teams. Most teams aren't like the current Boston Bruins and kill it all season long. At the end of the season when people look at the final records, they usually forget the winding road it took to get there.

The closest thing this team has had to a heater this year was the very beginning of the season, so the optimistic side of me is still expecting it. It seems like in the past, December was typically when it would happen, but that didn't materialize this year. Hopefully it still happens.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

This team hasn't given me a lot of confidence this year, but it is true that they can go on a heater still and change the outcome of the season. It is very often the case that teams which make the playoffs, do so because of one hot stretch during the season. Even last season, this team did a lot of damage in a short period of time before regressing back to a more normal winning percentage. And that is the case with a lot of teams. Most teams aren't like the current Boston Bruins and kill it all season long. At the end of the season when people look at the final records, they usually forget the winding road it took to get there.

The closest thing this team has had to a heater this year was the very beginning of the season, so the optimistic side of me is still expecting it. It seems like in the past, December was typically when it would happen, but that didn't materialize this year. Hopefully it still happens.

The Flames can still make the playoffs. But there isn't a requirement to buy at the deadline because you can make it. There is value in keeping your picks and getting some young guys some playoff experience too.

[Ashes]

Hmm some very interesting options for TDL pickups being discussed here, I think regardless of how we've played to this point, if the Flames are within 2-6 points of a playoff there is no way that Tre isn't going to add something to help the team. If that's the case I'd like to see a depth D and a RW who has the potential to slot well on a line with Huberdeau.

Depth D options:

- Schenn (Should be affordable, leads the league in hits, lots of experience with deep playoff runs with the Lightning, Sutter likes this guy).

- Klingberg (Not sure the acquisition price, but I thought he had a good showing against us in the playoffs last season and he would be a nice addition to our Jekyl/Hyde PP. He's on a 7M contract for just this season though, would need Anaheim to eat salary which might bump up the cost for the Flames to a point that wouldn't be worth it.)

- Dumba (Could be a good buy-low option, he's been healthy scratched a few times this season. plays physical, I haven't watched him much the past few seasons but always wanted him as a Flame when he broke into the league).

RW Option

- Duclair (3M for 3 years, an affordable RW option that performed well with Huberdeau last season, perhaps some durability issues? But, would be a value contract if he captures some of that magic with Huberdeau again).

- Barbashev (2.25M for this season then goes to UFA as a 27 year old, physical winger who got 60 points last year, has played over 50 playoff games and has also won a Cup - would love to get this guy but not sure the asking price, he's had a down year so far though so perhaps an option for the Flames).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

It wasn't a deadline deal, but the Flames added Kipper in 04. He was pretty decent and a pretty significant add.

That team wasn't a top team in the regular season but they were once ther added Kipper. This year's team is not a top team. They trade for anyone it's a young player who is an RFA that can help next year as well

Well, you are now giving an example that's more like adding an offseason player. And it was also pretty much a total fluke that Kipper was anywhere near what he turned out to be. If the Flames added a forward with the equivalent track record of Kipper when he was traded to the Flames no one would be saying "now there's an impact forward". The equivalent trade was Curtis Lazar, except that Kipper surprised everyone.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, you are now giving an example that's more like adding an offseason player. And it was also pretty much a total fluke that Kipper was anywhere near what he turned out to be. If the Flames added a forward with the equivalent track record of Kipper when he was traded to the Flames no one would be saying "now there's an impact forward". The equivalent trade was Curtis Lazar, except that Kipper surprised everyone.

Kipper was a top prospect after he was drafted. He was older by the time the Flames got him, but that often happens with goalie where they are top prospects, slip off the top prospect list and then come in a play a few years later and realize their potential.

The point was the Flames added a top player mid-season. Yes, it was lucky but after they got Kipper they were a top team in the league and adding the depth they did made sense because they were a very under rated team heading into that playoff. I recall top teams saying, "we don't want to play the Flames". Why, they were much better than their record.

This year's team could be much better than their record too, but I see them being a threat next year. Something is just off with this team and playing some young players for a few months will pay dividends for next year.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Ashes

- Dumba (Could be a good buy-low option, he's been healthy scratched a few times this season. plays physical, I haven't watched him much the past few seasons but always wanted him as a Flame when he broke into the league).

I used to really like his game. It sounds like he has been having a really bad season, but Sutter has a way of getting the best out of defensemen, so if the price is low, I would be all for bringing him.

[ComixZone]

I’m still holding onto some level of hope that we’ll scrape an extra pick in this years draft off of Lucic’s back.

C’mon someone….do it. DO IT!