[Trade] Elias Lindholm to VAN for Kuzmenko, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond 2024 4th

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Not everyone. There were lots of people posting trades where bluechip prospects or young performing roster players were being moved in trade. So those expectations were not met in any way. We didn't see a Wallinder or Lekkerimaki dealt our way.



Argue away. He was drafted in the third round for a reason. He's a smallish defenseman who is pass first. Not a great shot, but an incredible passer. A player that not many on the board had heard of before the trade and a guy that didn't even make the Canucks top 15 prospects in their prospect review by The Hockey Writers for a weak Vancouver prospect pool. Still lots to prove for this kid, even with posting gaudy numbers in the OHL. Has a particular skillset the team needs but has a long path to the NHL. Still see him as a "B" level prospect, even with the scoring exploits, and that's okay. "B" level prospects can surprise and turn into core players if things go right.

Honeslty it will be interesting to see what happens after another season between Brz and Willander.

Not that different in size. Both RH shot dmen.

But I'd argue that Brzustewicz play and production in their Draft+1 has been way more impressive than Willander.

Prospects are hard to read and it's a small sample size in their draft+1 so far but will be interesting to see how each guy is looked at once we have another season of play to look at.

Because to me Willander has been somewhat disappointing for a top 12 pick in the NCAA and Brz has impressed.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by chummer

Dude, give it a rest.

Dudette…don’t get her started on that too/

[ben voyonsdonc]

The Canucks continue to collect Elias’. They might not win the Stanley Cup but they are winning the Elias Cup.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Good chance Markstrom lands you that Iggy Jr. pick.

I think they should do it.

Should also swing for a conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st for Tanev like they did with Russell who was a comparable shot-blocking 2nd pairing guy. Could see Dallas being the team again too.

To me because Calgary is a tough(ish) place to land UFAs or retain free agents without overpaying, the strategy must be build through the draft. Especially the way the cap works. And the best way to do that is to load up on picks and rely on your scouting.

The Flames should have way more faith in their amateur scouting than they’ve strategically leveraged organizationally up to this point. Like, Wranglers are one of the best teams. All the kids coming in can compete, or seem to be able to. Lots of our picks have turned out well, or seem to. I don’t remember the Flames of the 90s or early 00’s having the best draft pick luck, but over the last 5-6 years it’s gotten way better. So, build this team through the draft and leverage our assets today to load up on as many picks as possible. You will find the next star player or players this way.

[simonsays]

Overall I think this looks like a rare win/win. Odd that we've traded with Vancouver twice this season, but it is what it is. Kuz is going to be a boom/bust type guy it seems, that one OHL dman seems to be the meat and the 1st is the potatoes. Everything else is making salaries/contracts work IMO.



I think its a great trade for both teams based on our timelines. Can't wait for a 2nd and Podkolzin for Tanev.

[jg13]

Not saying the two have anything in common at all but Adam Fox was also a 3rd round pick that put up points and now he's in the Norris conversation every year.

I don't think it's far fetched to believe that Brzustewicz will become an impactful dman one day and potentially on the top pair with a 3-4 being his likely floor.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Find a different thread. Or better yet start your own thread “is kuzmenko and his anti ghey stance is worse than dube? Is this more important to discuss than the measly hockey team?”

Then you can go converse with your brethren and us fans of the hockey team can discuss a trade here

Done

[jg13]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

A 1st round pick, two solid defensemen prospects, and a 4th that can become a 3rd this year.

Plus a roster player cap dump one year removed from a 39 goal season.

Who can still be traded for more assets.

That’s a great return.

no kidding.. people are acting like this is 21-22 Lindholm with multiple years left on his contract.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

The Canucks continue to collect Elias’. They might not win the Stanley Cup but they are winning the Elias Cup.

Hard to win the Stanley Cup when the Flames knock you out of round 1!

[NewFan]

Is it an evidence that the team plan is now a rebuild? I hope so.
If Markstrom was in trade talk, I guess he is ready to go too.
Time to deep dive.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yep, and the Flames still have time to see where Sharangovich and Kuzmenko fit in for the future, and if not they might be trade bait for next years TDL

So far Sharangovich has done nothing but increase his overall value since coming to the Flames. Hopefully Kuz does the same.

Exactly.

Maybe they work out long term - and that would be great.

And if not, they are assets for next year's trade deadline. And we can put Mangiapane in the same boat.

Not all trades have to happen this year - next year is shaping up to potentially be just as big as this year for us. And next year, most teams should have a little more wiggle room with the cap. So it could turn out to be very lucrative for the Flames.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

It took me a second but well done.

Shazam had the joke first, I just went mirror with it.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Not everyone. There were lots of people posting trades where bluechip prospects or young performing roster players were being moved in trade. So those expectations were not met in any way. We didn't see a Wallinder or Lekkerimaki dealt our way.

Argue away. He was drafted in the third round for a reason. He's a smallish defenseman who is pass first. Not a great shot, but an incredible passer. A player that not many on the board had heard of before the trade and a guy that didn't even make the Canucks top 15 prospects in their prospect review by The Hockey Writers for a weak Vancouver prospect pool. Still lots to prove for this kid, even with posting gaudy numbers in the OHL. Has a particular skillset the team needs but has a long path to the NHL. Still see him as a "B" level prospect, even with the scoring exploits, and that's okay. "B" level prospects can surprise and turn into core players if things go right.

Why not use a more recent prospect ranking? Here's one from earlier this month.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancou...y-2024-edition

3. Hunter Brzustewicz- Kitchener Rangers, OHL
RD- 6'0", 190 lbs- Round 3, 75th overall in 2023

Hunter Brzustewicz is having a season to remember. The Kitchener Rangers defender leads all players in the OHL with 58 points in 37 games and is on the path to becoming just the 15th defender in OHL history to surpass the 100-point mark in a season. One of the CHL's most dynamic defencemen, he is the mid-season favourite to be named CHL Defenceman of the Year.

Yes that is a 3, as in 3rd best prospect for the Canucks. Favorite to be CHL Defenceman of the year doesn't sound like a description of a B prospect either.

[Elkyiv]

I don't know if already asked but why doesn't Conroy trade Kuzmenko in a month to someone else? Why wait until next year?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

To me because Calgary is a tough(ish) place to land UFAs or retain free agents without overpaying, the strategy must be build through the draft. Especially the way the cap works. And the best way to do that is to load up on picks and rely on your scouting.

The Flames should have way more faith in their amateur scouting than they’ve strategically leveraged organizationally up to this point. Like, Wranglers are one of the best teams. All the kids coming in can compete, or seem to be able to. Lots of our picks have turned out well, or seem to. I don’t remember the Flames of the 90s or early 00’s having the best draft pick luck. So, build this team through the draft and leverage our assets today to load up on as many picks as possible. You will find the next star player or players this way.

Put as many darts on the board as possible and I'm positive that with this scouting staff the Flames will find their next diamond in the rough (Gaudreau), maybe a couple of them.

They should absolutely lean into their strengths. Core team needs were rarely if ever solved through free agency. I think you supplement a good team through FA (when it's time), and should do so very conservatively.

When it comes to the Flames, they should buy low in free agency to try to extract trade value to turn into more futures at the next deadline.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

I don't know if already asked but why doesn't Conroy trade Kuzmenko in a month to someone else? Why wait until next year?

Could happen.

What if he tears it up, and they flip him for a 1st?

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

I don't know if already asked but why doesn't Conroy trade Kuzmenko in a month to someone else? Why wait until next year?

It's probably best for Calgary to see how he does on their team for the next 12 months and see if they re-sign him or trade him moving forward. If he fits in well they may opt to keep him otherwise trade him at the deadline next year.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Wonder if Conroy will pull the Gaudreau move on Brzustewicz and fly him in on the private jet to play the last couple games of the NHL season if the flames are out to get him signed if the Rangers season ends. Seems like a real solid trade but long run signing him and Kuzmenko putting up some points and being flipped next season for some good value would really cement that

Was thinking that too. I would think the Flames would be all over that, in order to close the deal.

Also, I really doubt there is a flight risk issue here - if Brzustewicz was opposed to coming to Canada, why play in the OHL? Much easier to walk the path to UFA status by playing US college.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by CSharp

i think you replied to the wrong post

You are correct and sorry for the mistake.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Is it an evidence that the team plan is now a rebuild? I hope so.
If Markstrom was in trade talk, I guess he is ready to go too.
Time to deep dive.

The other factor if you may recall on Markstrom- Lindholm was one of his better friends. He may be much more willing to waive NMC with Lindholm gone.