[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Wouldn't Calgary just say you're not getting Matthew Tkachuk?

It's a negotiation and that's why all the specific parts are in the mix. It provides value and improvements in key areas for each team and balances out the risk.

OK, so they are not getting Tkachuk.

But Calgary has to trade him. No team has to trade for him.

Calgary can say "you're not getting Tkachuk" right up until he leaves as a UFA.

And once his salary is set via agreement or arbitration, the extension is off the table until Jan 1. So, that ticking clock is preventing Treliving from sitting on his high horse for too long. There are likely only a few teams who are serious contenders for Tkachuk. Treliving can't afford to dismiss any of them.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I would be quite disappointed if the Flames do not get a 1st rounder in 2023 included. This has to be a core piece.

Jersey has to move more cap. They have Boqvist, Bratt, and Woods as RFAs. Boqvist is probably going to cost them $1.5-2M on a short-term deal. Bratt is going to get $5-6M and Wood will do no worse than his qualifying offer of $3.5M. So you're talking $10-12M in additional cap with those players. They need help with dumping cap to fit Tkachuk in.

Yeah, agreed after looking at their cap situation. There'd be big (necessary) value to NJ in the Flames taking both of Tatar and Johnsson ($8M combined cap) off of their hands - this would open up the space for NJ to fit all of Tkachuk, Bratt, and Woods deals under their cap.

To CGY
Mercer + Holtz + Tatar + Johnsson + 1st

To NJ
Tkachuk + 2nd


Flames flip Tatar + Johnsson at the deadline for a couple picks.

[Mr.Coffee]

I wonder how much this development is impacting Kadris value. I could see teams preferring to have Tkachuk but then they have to give up assets to get him. However the cap space for either contract are likely similar so suitors who were in on Kadri may be giving pause and exploring this with Calgary, and now impacting Kadris pursuits.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Yeah, agreed after looking at their cap situation. There'd be big (necessary) value to NJ in the Flames taking both of Tatar and Johnsson ($8M combined cap) off of their hands - this would open up the space for NJ to fit all of Tkachuk, Bratt, and Woods deals under their cap.

To CGY
Mercer + Holtz + Tatar + Johnsson + 1st

To NJ
Tkachuk + 2nd


Flames flip Tatar + Johnsson at the deadline for a couple picks.

Does jersey have a real cap dump it needs to get out of? That would be ideal I think to add value

[SuperMatt18]

I would tell a team you can have 1st overall protection...

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Does jersey have a real cap dump it needs to get out of? That would be ideal I think to add value

Palat lol.

[miraisoup]

Tkachuk arbitration is August 11th

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550144522545496064

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by miraisoup

Tkachuk arbitration is August 11th

This will drag at least into the first week of August unless a team steps up then

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Does jersey have a real cap dump it needs to get out of? That would be ideal I think to add value

Yes, they cannot fit both of Tkachuk and Bratt deals unless they unload $8-9M of bad contracts. Tatar & Johnsson are the 2 obvious ones as they are overpaid, as well neither of them were drafted by or have been in NJ long and so the loyalty factor does not exist, IMO.

[Geeoff]

It kinda sucks that Mangiapane's hearing is before Tkachuk's. May end up just taking the arb contract for Eat Bread

[Lanny_McDonald]

Johansson has a M-NTC (10 teams). Makes trading him more difficult.

[Mull]

Some dumb questions


Seen some posters here wanting a player 24 years or younger- is this a magic number that allows for a good contract before FA, or just a arbitrary RFA age?


Whats with Jan 1? Confused. I thought I saw other teams can offer contacts then to him even if he is under contract with us?


Thanks!

[SuperMatt18]

One of the rumored New Jersey offers from before was:

Hischier/Bratt
Ty Smith

for

Tkachuk

If Tkachuk goes there that's probably the structure with a bit more added - but with Ty Smith traded for Marino now it would probably look a bit different.

I don't see the Flames looking for a pure draft capital trade though - they are going to want a young forward that is already an NHLer.

A Kyrou, Bratt, Hischier, type will probably be part of the trade.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Nope we have to get value. Don't get tunnel vision on restricting the deals, instead if teams are intent to hang on to 2023 picks than make them pay more with the other assets in the deal. Use it as an advantage.
If you can get more value by not including 2023 picks, then do that.

Exactly. Tunnel vision is how you end up with a bad trade. Jay Feaster school of trading.

Also, fans value draft picks way higher than they should. Is 2023 a great draft? Yes. Is a late 1st some sort of silver bullet? No. I mean, I'm all for acquiring 1sts in a strong draft. But let's not overvalue them.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Mull

Some dumb questions


Seen some posters here wanting a player 24 years or younger- is this a magic number that allows for a good contract before FA, or just a arbitrary RFA age?


Whats with Jan 1? Confused. I thought I saw other teams can offer contacts then to him even if he is under contract with us?


Thanks!

Tkachuk can't talk to other teams without permission now that Flames have elected for arbitration. Jan 1st will be the earliest he can sign his next contract.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Mull

Some dumb questions


Seen some posters here wanting a player 24 years or younger- is this a magic number that allows for a good contract before FA, or just a arbitrary RFA age?


Whats with Jan 1? Confused. I thought I saw other teams can offer contacts then to him even if he is under contract with us?


Thanks!

24yrs & younger basically implies they're either on their ELC, or first contract and may still be an RFA at the end... in other words players we'd have more contract control with than someone who's soon a UFA. The other angle is just that we're trading away a young player who was supposed to be a big part of the core for the team for a while, so need to replace that. Don't get older.

Jan 1 (or around then, has moved around a bit over the covid seasons) is when players who sign an arbitration-awarded contract are eligible to sign an extension. So in this case, if the Flames sign Tkachuk to only the 1year deal assigned by the arbitrator, then trade him, he can't sign an extension right away.
- This is why I think he gets traded before the arbitration date.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by miraisoup

Tkachuk arbitration is August 11th

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550144522545496064

What happens with the Oilers here according to Sportrac they have $68k left in cap space without Yamamoto and Nose Picker. I guess they will get relief when they put Smith on LTIR but that won't be enough.

[Strange Brew]

So Tkachuk's arb date is the latest possible? That can't just be luck can it?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

One of the rumored New Jersey offers from before was:

Hischier/Bratt
Ty Smith

for

Tkachuk

If Tkachuk goes there that's probably the structure with a bit more added - but with Ty Smith traded for Marino now it would probably look a bit different.

I don't see the Flames looking for a pure draft capital trade though - they are going to want a young forward that is already an NHLer.

A Kyrou, Bratt, Hischier, type will probably be part of the trade.

They don’t have Smith anymore

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Would be hilarious if we wound up trading him to florida and Bennett was a cap dump return in the deal.

Haven't been following, I thought Bennett was doing better down there then he did here?