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Caged Great · 10-09-2015, 05:51 PM

Hopefully Estrada can have a good game and extend the series. Then it's down to Dickey or Price in Game 4.

Otherwise it's an epic choke job.

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 05:54 PM

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As much as I'd like to complain about the manager, it is not his fault that the players could not execute like they have since the All Star Break.

Price has his 2nd worst start as a Jay, not Gibbons' fault.
2-3-4-5 hitters getting themselves out through 10 AB's, not much Gibbons can do.

Was it not him who would have been involved with shutting all these guys down early? I would think that would be a shared responsibility between him and AA.

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Caged Great

Hopefully Estrada can have a good game and extend the series. Then it's down to Dickey or Price in Game 4.

Otherwise it's an epic choke job.

Honestly, at this point, I'd give Dickey a crack. He could screw the Rangers timing for game 5 if it was played and set it up for Stroman or Price. I know the Jays would go with Price in that scenario, but I'd personally be leaning towards Stroman.

d_phaneuf · 10-09-2015, 05:58 PM

I still think they have a great shot, the Rangers are about to throw out to gas cans at SP

I think the offense gets hot and they get to game 5 at least

Dion · 10-09-2015, 06:08 PM

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You hear "Hindsight is 20/20" a lot more time with Gibbons managing than you do with other quality managers. They could have done a lot of things there, but as usual, Gibbons did nothing.

Gibbons helped to get the Jays to an ALE title and yet he's not a quality manager? Tough crowd.

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 06:09 PM

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I still think they have a great shot, the Rangers are about to throw out to gas cans at SP

I think the offense gets hot and they get to game 5 at least

Hopefully. One hot game from the offense would do a world of good for their confidence.

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 06:13 PM

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Gibbons helped to get the Jays to an ALE title and yet he's not a quality manager? Tough crowd.

What managing did Gibbons have to do to win the AL East? The team underachieved the past two seasons with him until they went out and acquired an all star team. I'll give AA all the credit in the world, but Gibbons deserves none.

Jiggy_12 · 10-09-2015, 06:16 PM

That is a fairly obtuse comment. Gibbons did a fine job.

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 06:22 PM

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That is a fairly obtuse comment. Gibbons did a fine job.

So the guy severely underachieved for two years, was one win away from being fired(from numerous sources), despite being handed the keys to an all-star team, is now 1 win away from being swept in the ALDS, and he did a fine job?

What moves has Gibby made this year that would suggest he is anything more than an average manager? Any major league manager could have done what he has this year if they were given the same set of keys.

Dion · 10-09-2015, 06:24 PM

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What managing did Gibbons have to do to win the AL East? The team underachieved the past two seasons with him until they went out and acquired an all star team. I'll give AA all the credit in the world, but Gibbons deserves none.

You lost the argument right there.

Mathgod · 10-09-2015, 06:25 PM

So ugly. So very very ugly. http://ur1.ca/nyzu1

Jiggy_12 · 10-09-2015, 06:27 PM

The absurdity of your comment comes from your blame placed on Gibbons for the mediocre record before the "all-star" players were acquired, yet you refuse to give him ANY credit for the record after the "all-star" players were acquired.

Both things can't be right. That's a really narrow-minded viewpoint.

And really? You are asking me to recall specific managerial decisions? It's a 162 games season. Even if it was my job to analyze baseball you realize that's an impossible request, right?

Sheesh.

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 06:29 PM

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You lost the argument right there.

What examples do you have that would suggest he is a good manager? I can list you about 100 as to why he isn't.

Enoch Root · 10-09-2015, 06:31 PM

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What examples do you have that would suggest he is a good manager? I can list you about 100 as to why he isn't.

No, what you can do is whine

And, it would seem, endlessly

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

The absurdity of your comment comes from your blame placed on Gibbons for the mediocre record before the "all-star" players were acquired, yet you refuse to give him ANY credit for the record after the "all-star" players were acquired.

Both things can't be right. That's a really narrow-minded viewpoint.

And really? You are asking me to recall specific managerial decisions? It's a 162 games season. Even if it was my job to analyze baseball you realize that's an impossible request, right?

Sheesh.

How is it impossible to give me a couple of examples that would suggest he is anything more than an average manager?

Enoch Root · 10-09-2015, 06:33 PM

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How is it impossible to give me a couple of examples that would suggest he is anything more than an average manager?

Because no matter how many he gave you, you would dismiss them. Your mind is made up and a couple examples of good decisions would have no impact on it.

Jiggy_12 · 10-09-2015, 06:35 PM

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How is it impossible to give me a couple of examples that would suggest he is anything more than an average manager?

Because I didn't take notes.

I watched the games and found myself (and I think I know baseball fairly well) rarely if ever questioning his decisions. His bullpen management was impressive and he made some very smart player switches during inter league play. Again I don't have details, didn't think I'd need to refer back.

And from all accounts, his personal side and player management is fantastic.

Not saying he was great by any means, but you're completely discrediting him. All I said was he did a "fine" job. Nothing special, but he did what was needed.

Hemi-Cuda · 10-09-2015, 06:39 PM

Guess the Blue Jays remembered they're a Toronto sports team and any post season success is strictly forbidden. Epic choke so far

Dan02 · 10-09-2015, 06:43 PM

jesus guys, did Yogi teach you nothing?

It ain't over till it's over.

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 06:45 PM

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Because I didn't take notes.

I watched the games and found myself (and I think I know baseball fairly well) rarely if ever questioning his decisions. His bullpen management was impressive and he made some very smart player switches during inter league play. Again I don't have details, didn't think I'd need to refer back.

And from all accounts, his personal side and player management is fantastic.

Not saying he was great by any means, but you're completely discrediting him. All I said was he did a "fine" job. Nothing special, but he did what was needed.

I would agree on the personal side. It appears that is what keeps him employed.

Completely disagree on his bullpen management. He basically throws match up and stats out the window and goes with his gut the majority of the time. Sure the bullpen wasn't good at the start of the year, but his refusal to go with the proper matchups or leaving a guy in there too long cost them a lot of games.

Leaving Stroman in and letting Cecil have Napoli today was a prime example of that today. Now it's kind of hard to crap on Gibbons for leaving Cecil in given his past few months on the mound, but he left a lefty in to face Napoli when he had a warm righty that Napoli was career 2-17 against. I don't think Bannister would have done that had the tables been turned.

Look how quick he took Gallardo out yesterday. Relatively low pitch count, not many runs in at that point, but it looked like he was fading and he yanked him before disaster struck. I fully believe if Gallardo has faced another inning, the Jays would have rocked him. I also don't believe Gibbons would have made a move like that. He would have sent him out to start the inning.