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Originally Posted by AFireInside
I agree with you but I also don't think jersey's should be retired at all.. Hang the jersey in the rafters sure, but players should still be able to wear them.
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I actually agree... I said "retiring" more because it's regular convention.... but I think the number should be allowed to be worn... Look no further then the New York Yankees - I don't think they have any single digit numbers left (I may be wrong)... but when you retire upwards of 20 numbers - I can become a problem.
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Originally Posted by AFireInside
I have no issue with not hanging Fleury's number in the rafters. I'd rather just forget he was one of my favourite players as a kid. The less attention he gets the better.
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Why.... because he thinks differently on some topics... I happen to like diversity and diversity of thought is the most important to me. I don't know how many times when I thought I had the solution to a problem and I thought someone else's opinions were "stupid" (my inner thoughts) and would only wreck my idea if implemented in whole or in part along side mine - as it turns out, most times, I think the compromise between the two was the better solution in the vast majority of those occasions. Questioning authority is our civic duty... if we give people blank cheques, they take shortcuts, and what happens when the politics of the day changes - we may find the shoe on the other foot. I heard a great quote the other day (not a perfect quote as I can't remember it perfectly).... "just because 19 out of 20 people think that 2 + 2 = 5, that doesn't make the one who answered 4 extreme"... now you have to extrapolate that to more complicate questions... but looking back today... many were correct that just a few months ago - people on here and in the government were calling the other way.
Having said all that... I really have no idea what Fleury thinks since I don't follow him at all (but I don't live in a cave either - I have heard things in the background - just never gave it any investigation), and since I once lived in South and my children played soccer with his kids and I have had a chance to talk with him as a neighbour - I'm not that fond of him as a person... But I thought we were celebrating his hockey ability and his time with the Flames rather than anything else.
One more thought... Self-awareness... you need to be unbiased enough to reexamine your previous thoughts and beliefs with new information available and maybe tweak or change those beliefs when required - sometimes life requires you to take the red pill so to speak. I don't know how many times I've been wrong in the past... I don't know how many times "science" has been proven wrong when new science comes to light. Wasn't it Einstein who said that it just takes one person (scientist) to prove a (my) theory wrong" - science is not done through consensus (again my previous example - just because 19 out of 20 think one way - it doesn't mean once proven, that the 1 wasn't correct)... in science, you come up with a hypothesis and then try and prove it one way (true) or the other (false), and regardless of that outcome, it pushes us towards a better understanding of real science. You can't get upset because another scientist has found a flaw in your hypothesis - it's not a contest... it's not personal... it's science.... it's pushing science and therefore the human race forward.
So I think we should celebrate Fleury for his hockey, for taking the home discount when his contracts were up for renewal... just because we don't agree with some of his views today.... celebrating his hockey doesn't mean we are agreeing with him on everything... unless he's done some horrific thing where polite society should shun him, we should just celebrate the things we admired about him in the past.
