2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by stemit14

That’s a really tough call for LA. Don’t think Carolina says no to that - especially if Rantanen does not want to sign with Carolina. It’s LA that it would be tougher to decide. Rantanen is what you hope Byfield develops into. Byfield is still young despite being in the league for a few years now. I think LA would have to consider it.

LA needs offence. But what is Rantanen without Mackinnon, is he a 100 point player still or he is more of a 70-80 point guy.

He makes everyone around him so much better.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Byfield for a signed Rantanen. Who says no?

Don’t think LA should do that. Byfield is young and the apparent hire to Koitar. Who would rants center be in a year or 2 when kopitar really regresses? Anze is no spring chicken.

[Samonadreau]

3 pts in 7 gp for Rantanen in Carolina. Slow start for sure and not helping his re-trade value.

Or his UFA value.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Don’t think LA should do that. Byfield is young and the apparent hire to Koitar. Who would rants center be in a year or 2 when kopitar really regresses? Anze is no spring chicken.

Keeps their window legitimately open with Kopitar and Doughty. Maybe its a way to pay them back for staying through a rebuild. Huge way to excite fans with old men Drew and Anze chasing a final cup.

LA still has a ton of youth in their pipeline even if they lose Byfield.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

3 pts in 7 gp for Rantanen in Carolina. Slow start for sure and not helping his re-trade value.

Or his UFA value.

Don't think his slow start will hurt either.

Lots of players struggle after a big trade, especially one that blindsides you like that.

Carolina also played a structured system, Colorado is a lot more open and skating.

My question would be how much of Rantanen was the result of playing with Mackinnon. Especially for a winger commanding 14-15M a year.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Keeps their window legitimately open with Kopitar and Doughty. Maybe its a way to pay them back for staying through a rebuild. Huge way to excite fans with old men Drew and Anze chasing a final cup.

LA still has a ton of youth in their pipeline even if they lose Byfield.

Interesting comparison is the Warriors. Another championship team with 2 aging vets and having a so so season.

They have some good youth in Kuminga and Moody and picks, but Curry has been vocal they shouldn't trade the future for now as they will be gone in a few seasons.

They made a player for player deal to get Jimmy Butler it didn't cost them too much.

It is interesting to hear a player not be selfish when they are still performing at a top level but know time is running out and the organization wil need to move forward.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

It's Vegas, I could see them getting the necessary assets and making that trade in the next 10 days or whatever using leverage/extortion or whatever spellbook McCrimmon uses against his colleagues. Knights always seem to be in on the top talent hitting the trade market and then find a way to make it happen.

It's called injuries on demand, and a lack of NHL oversight over whether players on LTIR really need to be.

[Macho0978]

I don't think it needs to be Byfield but maybe Carolina adds a pick to get it done. They would be set up very well as Byfield is signed long term at a good deal, Carolina seems to value the contracts more than any team.

LA could use Clarke and Moore as well.

Does Carolina let LA talk to Rantanen if they are getting close. An extension in place could help and if Rantanen does want $14 mil they can walk away or pay like he is a rental player.

[Monahammer]

Byfield seems like too big a pill for LA, imo. They have decent prospect depth but no real Center heir if Kopi retires. Byfield is supposed to be that. Can't see him going in a winger deal.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I don't think it needs to be Byfield but maybe Carolina adds a pick to get it done. They would be set up very well as Byfield is signed long term at a good deal, Carolina seems to value the contracts more than any team.

LA could use Clarke and Moore as well.

Does Carolina let LA talk to Rantanen if they are getting close. An extension in place could help and if Rantanen does want $14 mil they can walk away or pay like he is a rental player.

Do they value contracts? They have walked guys to free agency, they even walked their coach to the last minute. They have traded 2 years in a row for pending UFA's. They also have what 35M in cap space for July 1st.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Yeah but I don’t think Carolina will want picks/prospects. They will want a top line forward. Not just a 2nd line forward - a top line forward. That’s what they had to give up (Necas) for Rantanen so I think they need something like that back. Otherwise, they have essentially made their team worse this year when they should be competing for a cup.

Someone suggested Vegas as an option. Not sure who they could trade that would be enough… Maybe Barbashev + Howden + pick? Don’t know if those players would be enough because those are 2nd/3rd line players.

Carolina has absolutely no hand, if they move Rantanen. The only reason they would move him is if they can't sign him, and then he is a pure rental, and they have no time. They will be selling him at 50 cents on the dollar.

As for Byfield, no way LA does that, IMO.

[traptor]

Is Rantenan considered a problem yet for the Canes?

Weren't they close on a deal with Petterson before they finalized the deal with the Avs?

I wonder if Rants for Petterson swap makes any sense.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Do they value contracts? They have walked guys to free agency, they even walked their coach to the last minute. They have traded 2 years in a row for pending UFA's. They also have what 35M in cap space for July 1st.

Thats the point, they would rather lose a player than overpay the player.

Byfield is paid long term just over $6 mil per year, they will value that on top of what the player could be.

I don't think LA should trade Byfield for Rantanen without Carolina adding.

I can see Carolina giving up this year more than LA though. Sure, Byfield is a building block, but the team still seems to revolve around the vets. They are a playoff team, and it has very little to do with the kids on the team.

I doubt they sell and doubt the future is bright after guys retire and leave/get paid. Time seems to be now, load up for Rantanen and try and keep Byfield to go with him. If they got Rantanen, they could do some damage.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Thats the point, they would rather lose a player than overpay the player.

Byfield is paid long term just over $6 mil per year, they will value that on top of what the player could be.

I don't think LA should trade Byfield for Rantanen without Carolina adding.

I can see Carolina giving up this year more than LA though. Sure, Byfield is a building block, but the team still seems to revolve around the vets. They are a playoff team, and it has very little to do with the kids on the team.

I doubt they sell and doubt the future is bright after guys retire and leave/get paid. Time seems to be now, load up for Rantanen and try and keep Byfield to go with him. If they got Rantanen, they could do some damage.

It was a gamble by Carolina. The timing of everything as well as he went off to 4 nations.

I get it from Rantanens side why he won't sign, he didn't pick Carolina and he is a few months from free agency.

It was Colorado or bust, and now he gets to pick his team. With the rising cap teams will get creative to get some space to get this guy, don't think a free agent like this has hit the market since Tavares.

Still unsure about him thought, great player but is some of it because of Mackinnon? Plus he is a winger, not sure I would be comfortable paying a winger that type of money.

[Toonage]

Friedman mentioned on Saturday that the Canes offered him a salary with "9 digits".

I assume they can sign him 8 years, so that puts the offer at a minimum of $12.5 per.

Draisaitl is the current high bar I believe at $14.4.

So Rantanen either thinks he can match that or beat that in free agency. And I suspect his overall body of work suggests to him and/or his agent that his stint in Carolina doesn't matter regardless of how its going or ends up.

Its a risk, but I'm betting he gets it. Just likely not in Carolina who have made their offer and knowing what we do about their owner, probably won't go past that. And considering Rantanen hasn't signed, I can guess didn't meet the minimum (Draisaitl).

[stemit14]

Wonder what the risk is to Rantanen’s next contract if he doesn’t sign with anyone and has a poor rest of the season and playoffs. He would still be one of the top two free agents this summer (along with Marner) when the cap is taking a big jump. Would he lose the chance to get a >$13 million AAV contract like the one he is rumoured to be offered from Carolina? I doubt it… but if it even cost him $1.5 million in AAV, that along with not getting an eighth year in his contract could cost him over $20,000,000 over the length of his contract.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Friedman mentioned on Saturday that the Canes offered him a salary with "9 digits".

I assume they can sign him 8 years, so that puts the offer at a minimum of $12.5 per.

Draisaitl is the current high bar I believe at $14.4.

So Rantanen either thinks he can match that or beat that in free agency. And I suspect his overall body of work suggests to him and/or his agent that his stint in Carolina doesn't matter regardless of how its going or ends up.

Its a risk, but I'm betting he gets it. Just likely not in Carolina who have made their offer and knowing what we do about their owner, probably won't go past that. And considering Rantanen hasn't signed, I can guess didn't meet the minimum (Draisaitl).

The GM said they can give him what he wants, but they need to sell him on the city and team.

Draisatil set the bar for wingers I guess at 14.5, if he goes to free agency he gets 1 less year I think he gets the 14M he wants.

I wonder if it's a team we are not thinking of right now that can do that deal. I am thinking San Jose who was linked to Draisatil if he hit free agency.

Maybe Anaheim. These are some teams that need to start pushing now. Chicago would be interesting as well.

When players say it's not about the money it usually means it is.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Wonder what the risk is to Rantanen’s next contract if he doesn’t sign with anyone and has a poor rest of the season and playoffs. He would still be one of the top two free agents this summer (along with Marner) when the cap is taking a big jump. Would he lose the chance to get a >$13 million AAV contract like the one he is rumoured to be offered from Carolina? I doubt it… but if it even cost him $1.5 million in AAV, that along with not getting an eighth year in his contract could cost him over $20,000,000 over the length of his contract.

Don't think any of that will matter. Only risk to me as a team would be age. He will be 29 when next season starts and starting a 7 or 8 year dealing paying him for what he did in prime with Nathan Mackinnon and Cale Makar.

[Toonage]

Given Bedard's (alleged?) unhappiness with how his first 2 years have gone I think Chicago makes a ton of sense. But does it make sense for Rantanen who probably wants to win now?

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by traptor

Is Rantenan considered a problem yet for the Canes?

Weren't they close on a deal with Petterson before they finalized the deal with the Avs?

I wonder if Rants for Petterson swap makes any sense.

Makes no Sense For Vancouver to trade both of their top 6 centers and get no top 6 centers back.

I.mean Chytl could be a top 6 center but that would a strange move. And you have to treat Rantenan as a rental and Vancouver may miss the playoffs.