2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

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The only thing that has potentially changed the plan is Wolf. I think they expected to have a top 10 and probably even top 5 pick with the roster the Flames had going into the season.

But the problem is Wolf almost single handedly can prevent that, so you do have to rethink your plan on how to build a roster a bit because you can't count on top 5 picks even with the second lowest salary hit in the league as long as he's playing like this.

Just to nitpick on this a bit. I would assume that Conroy and the management team had an idea that Wolf had the potential to do exactly this. As everyone keeps saying, he does this at every level he has played at.

With that in mind as the GM, you likely build out your plan for the season with multiple contingencies for how your goaltending goes:

1. If Wolf steps into his rookie season like most rookie goalies and Vladar doesn't rise up to #1 status while taking all the hardest starts, which results in the team tanking the season then sell players like Mantha, Kuzmenko, Vladar, Barrie, etc at the trade deadline and mail it in until draft day.
2. If Wolf steps into his rookie season and he and Vladar play well enough to put the team on the playoff bubble then look for hockey trades to retool on the fly. Look for young players that can join the roster now but otherwise keep the focus on the answer being in the room.
3. If Wolf and Vladar go superstar tandem and locks home ice advantage in the playoffs then go into 'buy mode'.
4. Etc.

"The Plan" likely covered all of the things we speculated on with the other players too:

• Mantha signing a 1 year deal to showcase himself for a trade deadline deal for futures or we keep him as a self rental if things go well. (What actually happened writes off the whole decision tree.)
• Kuzmenko could put up some points with lots of offensive starts and PP time and becomes another great trade asset at the deadline, or another great self rental. (Instead his wheels fall off and we have to package him up to ship him out because he tanked his own value.)
• Barrie signs a deal to try to earn himself a trade and if it doesn't pan out he goes onto waivers. (Ends up in the waivers path)
• Etc.

I would expect that all of this gets war-roomed out at the start of the season and then tuned and updated as the season progresses, as players struggle or shine, and as opportunities come up from other GMs.

To think that is not happening is very odd.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Well being publicly desperate for a right shot center for one is embarrassing. Targeting a player like Cozens is just as bad when everything shows he’s not good. It’s like when Treliving was obsessed over Hamonic and pretty much nuked any chance we had of being competitive.

You don’t trade for 1st line cup winning elite centers. You draft them. Seems like something Edwards and the boys can’t grasp. Playing kipper 70 plus games every year to make 8th isn’t a recipe for success.

It really is an ownership issue with this team.

publicly desperate for a RS centre?

Every team in the league has a hole, or several. I would think a person who posts here several times a day would be mindful of that. And what do you mean by desperate? Are the Stars desperate to upgrade on Ceci? Are the Jets desperate to find a 2C? Are the Panthers desperate to a blue line depth? Are the Oilers desperate for a starting G? Should these teams be embarrassed? Why?

I don’t read or hear about Conroy offering up his best assets for a RS centre. I haven’t heard Parekh/Wolf/Zary for Cozens.

‘No plan’ and ‘desperate’ make me think you have a preference to overstate things a tad. You’re laying it on a little thick.

[Badgers Nose]

I read that Matty Tkachuk might be out for the season. FLA probably has to make some moves if that’s the case. Could probably fit Rantanen as a rental.

CAR and FLA would make weird trade partners.

[Harry Lime]

If Vancouver falls apart, I could see boeser going there.

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I read that Matty Tkachuk might be out for the season. FLA probably has to make some moves if that’s the case. Could probably fit Rantanen as a rental.

CAR and FLA would make weird trade partners.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I read that Matty Tkachuk might be out for the season. FLA probably has to make some moves if that’s the case. Could probably fit Rantanen as a rental.

CAR and FLA would make weird trade partners.

That’s not good for Fla. must have been something pretty serious. He dissappeared after that first game against canada. Must have hurt himself in the fight.

[Toonage]

That used to be Matthew’s thing here. Go all out the first game and hurt himself. Seemed to reel that in the past few years but clearly he was jacked for playing Canada.

And if Rantanen doesn’t want to sign with Carolina yeah put Tkachuk on LTIR and go get him.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Toonage

That used to be Matthew’s thing here. Go all out the first game and hurt himself. Seemed to reel that in the past few years but clearly he was jacked for playing Canada.

And if Rantanen doesn’t want to sign with Carolina yeah put Tkachuk on LTIR and go get him.

I don’t see Carolina trading rantanen to Florida. They are trying to get by then to win the cup , not help them.

[flambers]

Considering what the Canes moved to acquire Rantanen,

What would the Panthers offer....

Its likely going to take more than a pick(s)

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don’t see Carolina trading rantanen to Florida. They are trying to get by then to win the cup , not help them.

Yeah you’re likely right but who knows. Would make for a wild trade.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I read that Matty Tkachuk might be out for the season. FLA probably has to make some moves if that’s the case. Could probably fit Rantanen as a rental.

CAR and FLA would make weird trade partners.

At least it happened for a NHL sanctioned meaningless tournament instead of the Olympics?!?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Wolven

At least it happened for a NHL sanctioned meaningless tournament instead of the Olympics?!?

Haha! I felt the same way but was all in by that final.

Like others have said, he probably hurt himself in the fight and that definitely brought back memories of the Flames last playoff run.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Goriders

That’s not good for Fla. must have been something pretty serious. He dissappeared after that first game against canada. Must have hurt himself in the fight.

Dont think it was the scrap.

Pretty sure he is dealing with a soft tissue injury, groin maybe, that occurred in a board battle.

Hope he is OK....the game is better when he is playing.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Dont think it was the scrap.

Pretty sure he is dealing with a soft tissue injury, groin maybe, that occurred in a board battle.

Hope he is OK....the game is better when he is playing.

Better for the Flames draft pick if he doesn't play.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by Wolven

At least it happened for a NHL sanctioned meaningless tournament instead of the Olympics?!?

Is it any more meaningless than a midseason game against a bottom feeder team?

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Dont think it was the scrap.

Pretty sure he is dealing with a soft tissue injury, groin maybe, that occurred in a board battle.

Hope he is OK....the game is better when he is playing.

Yeah - it seemed to be his groin or hip when they showed him testing it out. I'm not losing sleep. The Tkachuk's are attention mongers.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Yeah - it seemed to be his groin or hip when they showed him testing it out. I'm not losing sleep. The Tkachuk's are attention mongers.

I don’t get this take. There are so many complaints that today’s NHL is watered down, boring, not enough emotion.

The purpose of pro sports is to engage and entertain. That is what they are doing. With help from the 51st State/ Tarriff BS, the Tkachuk’s made the tournament relevant on both sides of the border.

[bluejays]

^ quoting not working. That's another point of view on it, but I just don't like their style of getting that attention. Matthew in particular isn't a great fighter and seems to turtle, while at the same time talking big. I guess he sells the sport to loud mouth Americans who appreciate that style, but I don't find his brash talking creative. At least Marchand has that. Matthew is just a goof who's an excellent agitator.

[This post is terrible]

Originally Posted by bluejays

^ quoting not working. That's another point of view on it, but I just don't like their style of getting that attention. Matthew in particular isn't a great fighter and seems to turtle, while at the same time talking big. I guess he sells the sport to loud mouth Americans who appreciate that style, but I don't find his brash talking creative. At least Marchand has that. Matthew is just a goof who's an excellent agitator.

I mean it really just sounds like you don’t like the villain, isn’t that the point?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by bluejays

^ quoting not working. That's another point of view on it, but I just don't like their style of getting that attention. Matthew in particular isn't a great fighter and seems to turtle, while at the same time talking big. I guess he sells the sport to loud mouth Americans who appreciate that style, but I don't find his brash talking creative. At least Marchand has that. Matthew is just a goof who's an excellent agitator.

Pretty sweeping generalizations here. Tkachuck appeals to ‘loud mouth Americans’.

Hard to taken seriously with this stuff.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by bluejays

^ quoting not working. That's another point of view on it, but I just don't like their style of getting that attention. Matthew in particular isn't a great fighter and seems to turtle, while at the same time talking big. I guess he sells the sport to loud mouth Americans who appreciate that style, but I don't find his brash talking creative. At least Marchand has that. Matthew is just a goof who's an excellent agitator.

Tkachuk fights 2-3 times a season, he's had seasons of 104, 109, 88 and 57 points in 54 games this season; he fights a good amount for a star player. The turtling this is so over blown. Show me a clip of Tkachuk turtling where he wasn't attacked by come coked up caveman looking for revenge.