2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[blankall]

Theoretically, players like McDavid should be able to earn more from sponsors and building their brand than salaries. If McDavid were able to win a couple of cups, it would have a huge impact on his marketability.

I guess the issue with that is that McDavid isn't exactly Lebron James. Pretty easy for James to take a multi million dollar discount, when his networth is north of a 1 billion and he's earning $50+ million in passive income a year.

Maybe McDavid's people realize that his personality is so non-existent that his only hope of big money is via his contracts.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by blankall

Theoretically, players like McDavid should be able to earn more from sponsors and building their brand than salaries. If McDavid were able to win a couple of cups, it would have a huge impact on his marketability.

I guess the issue with that is that McDavid isn't exactly Lebron James. Pretty easy for James to take a multi million dollar discount, when his networth is north of a 1 billion and he's earning $50+ million in passive income a year.

Maybe McDavid's people realize that his personality is so non-existent that his only hope of big money is via his contracts.

LeBron has taken a discount twice in his career. The first year in Miami, and just this year in LA it was like 500K so they would be under the 2nd apron for taxes.

The NHL doesn't have the same sponsorships that other leagues have especially the NBA.

[stemit14]

I find it hard to believe Draisaitl will take much of a discount. If he was willing to give any kind of discount, wouldn’t he already be signed? What could be the hold up in that scenario? They would be crazy to try and nickel-and-dime him over an NMC. The only scenario where I could see the oilers pushing back is if Draisaitl’s camp is offering them a discount in the form of a 1 year deal. But the oilers want him locked up long term to ensure McDavid will sign. If Draisaitl were to sign a one year deal I think that would be the biggest indication that both he and McDavid are leaving when McDavid’s deal is up in 2026. The oilers don’t want to accept that.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by blankall

Theoretically, players like McDavid should be able to earn more from sponsors and building their brand than salaries. If McDavid were able to win a couple of cups, it would have a huge impact on his marketability.

I guess the issue with that is that McDavid isn't exactly Lebron James. Pretty easy for James to take a multi million dollar discount, when his networth is north of a 1 billion and he's earning $50+ million in passive income a year.

Maybe McDavid's people realize that his personality is so non-existent that his only hope of big money is via his contracts.

Wouldn't he be more marketable if he went to New York or LA

[Kipper_3434]

Draisaitl won't age well imo. Hope he get 120m contract from the oilers.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Seravelli also said that the way the Draisaitl deal would work is Mike Luit would slide a number across the table and the Oilers would say yes. The question is, why is Leon’s agent not sliding a number across the table? It is now almost 50 days since that transaction could have taken place.

This is the table.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Draisaitl won't age well imo. Hope he get 120m contract from the oilers.

Why would he age poorly?

He’s massive and doesn’t miss games. Even when he loses a step, his reach, vision and ability to protect the puck will allow him to be effective.

It would be quite unprecedented for a player of this calibre to have such a precipitous decline any time in the next six years.

We’re not talking about Andrew Ladd or James Neal here.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I think that's what you personally hope McDavid and Draisaitl do. If they really do want to stay in Edmonton, who cares if it goes public.

These are two of the biggest stars in the game and they will be paid. Not like they lose bargaining power by this going public.

I think that I was quite clear in saying that if I was in their position I wouldn't be impressed by the team I'm negotiating with putting out a bunch of press rumours that I'm taking less than market. How does that team treat you when your play takes a turn or there is a conflict internally - put out press rumours again? It's just a bad way to conduct business, in my opinion.



Now, they may not care one bit - which is entirely their right. I'm not hoping a thing. They will do whatever they decide is in their interests.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Sec214

I wouldn’t say big trades are on the horizon. Flames enjoy cap flexibility and our broker fee is expensive. We aren’t the AZ Coyotes and we won’t operate that way.

Will there be trades - yes. Will it involve Calgary - Possible. Plenty of teams need cap flex right now but don’t want to pay the price Calgary wants to eat money.

I mean I respect not making it easy on teams to sue us, but we also shouldn't swing so far the other way that we don't end up doing it all.

[Redlan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Why would he age poorly?

He’s massive and doesn’t miss games. Even when he loses a step, his reach, vision and ability to protect the puck will allow him to be effective.

It would be quite unprecedented for a player of this calibre to have such a precipitous decline any time in the next six years.

We’re not talking about Andrew Ladd or James Neal here.

James Neal: Height 6.03 -- Weight 212 [191 cm/96 kg]
Andrew Ladd: Height 6.03 -- Weight 205 [191 cm/93 kg]
Leon Draisaitl: Height 6.02 -- Weight 209 [188 cm/95 kg]

Calibre difference yes, Size Meh.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I mean I respect not making it easy on teams to sue us, but we also shouldn't swing so far the other way that we don't end up doing it all.

Yeah would be interested to know if the Flames were approached about Glass at all and to see what their ask might have been.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Why would he age poorly?

He’s massive and doesn’t miss games. Even when he loses a step, his reach, vision and ability to protect the puck will allow him to be effective.

It would be quite unprecedented for a player of this calibre to have such a precipitous decline any time in the next six years.

We’re not talking about Andrew Ladd or James Neal here.

He'll likely age like Hossa did, which is great, as Hossa was still highly effective when he retired.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah would be interested to know if the Flames were approached about Glass at all and to see what their ask might have been.

I wonder if the flames need to trade more veteran forwards (Kuzmenko/Mantha) before trading for any more young NHLers. Not to say they would refuse a trade but it would have to be for a highly desired player because they are already struggling to make room for young players like Coronato, Klapka, Pelletier, Stromgren, Honzek, etc.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Why would he age poorly?

He’s massive and doesn’t miss games. Even when he loses a step, his reach, vision and ability to protect the puck will allow him to be effective.

It would be quite unprecedented for a player of this calibre to have such a precipitous decline any time in the next six years.

We’re not talking about Andrew Ladd or James Neal here.

It's tough to say...I could have said the exact same thing about Huberdeau.

6'1" 204 - Huberdeau
Last 4 seasons before signing his extension with 1 year left on his deal(25-28 years):
GP: 286 P: 346 P/GP: 1.21

6'2" 207 - Draisaitl
Last 4 seasons before his renewal discussions with 1 year left on his deal (24-27 years old):
GP: 297 P: 428 P/GP: 1.44

Draisaitl was the better player for his career....but McDavid also has a huge impact on his counting numbers.

Draisaitl is smart to cash in on this contract because I'm not sure his production would be as lucrative on any other team or Powerplay.

[Tbull8]

Would like to know if Drai extending changes dissentowners certainty in Mcdavid leaving. Gotta think if he leaves, Mcdavid definitely will

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Why would he age poorly?

He’s massive and doesn’t miss games. Even when he loses a step, his reach, vision and ability to protect the puck will allow him to be effective.

It would be quite unprecedented for a player of this calibre to have such a precipitous decline any time in the next six years.

We’re not talking about Andrew Ladd or James Neal here.

Because he's a lazy player, may checkout when he gets his big payday. Slow skater, only produces eith McDavid. Contract would last til he's 37/38...and gut feeling. Unprecedented? Nearly every 8 year contract for 30 year old ufas seems to age pretty poor.

Why wouldn't he decline? He's not getting younger.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I mean I respect not making it easy on teams to sue us, but we also shouldn't swing so far the other way that we don't end up doing it all.

I don't mind it.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I wonder if the flames need to trade more veteran forwards (Kuzmenko/Mantha) before trading for any more young NHLers. Not to say they would refuse a trade but it would have to be for a highly desired player because they are already struggling to make room for young players like Coronato, Klapka, Pelletier, Stromgren, Honzek, etc.

I would say this probably weighs into effect immensely when considering picking up cap dump players. Flames all ready have a full roster. It might not be a good one but it is full. Absolutely no room for a winger. About the only spot open for debate is whether Rooney is your full time 4th line center

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Would like to know if Drai extending changes dissentowners certainty in Mcdavid leaving. Gotta think if he leaves, Mcdavid definitely will

I believe dissentowners sources were saying McDavid is 100% leaving after this contract, like the decision has already been made, which would infer Draisaitl signing long-term or not has zero affect.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Redlan

James Neal: Height 6.03 -- Weight 212 [191 cm/96 kg]
Andrew Ladd: Height 6.03 -- Weight 205 [191 cm/93 kg]
Leon Draisaitl: Height 6.02 -- Weight 209 [188 cm/95 kg]

Calibre difference yes, Size Meh.

I was looking at the all time games records once on IHDB and noticed that there is a pretty strong size bias going on there:

Top 20
1 Patrick Marleau (1997-2021) 1779
2 Gordie Howe (1946-1980) 1767
3 Mark Messier (1979-2004) 1756
4 Jaromir Jagr (1990-2018) 1733
5 Ron Francis (1981-2004) 1731
6 Joe Thornton (1997-2022) 1714
7 Zdeno Chara (1997-2022) 1680
8 Mark Recchi (1988-2011) 1652
9 Chris Chelios (1983-2010) 1651
10 Dave Andreychuk (1982-2006) 1639
11 Scott Stevens (1982-2004) 1635
12 Larry Murphy (1980-2001) 1615
13 Ray Bourque (1979-2001) 1612
14 Nicklas Lidstrom (1991-2012) 1564
15 Jarome Iginla (1995-2017) 1554
16 Alex Delvecchio (1950-1974) 1550
17 Johnny Bucyk (1955-1978) 1540
17 Shane Doan (1995-2017) 1540
19 Brendan Shanahan (1987-2009) 1524
20 Matt Cullen (1997-2019) 1516

9 out of 20 are 6'2" or taller. Recchi (5'10") and Delvecchio (5'11) only ones under 6 foot. Although average height was probably 5'8" or 9" when Delvecchio started his career. Even the "shorter" ones like Recchi, Messier, Iginla, Stevens, Bourque, etc were built like fire hydrants. Also pretty much all star/superstar level players in their primes as well. Matt Cullen is the exception there.

When you look at active players, the four guys with the best chance to break into the top 20 are Suter, Ovechkin, Burns, and Kopitar. 3 out of 4 of those guys are massive.

Size looks like it has a pretty positive correlation with longevity.