2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[ForeverFlameFan]

Oilers can piss off. I’d rather watch from a distance and laugh than help them.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by jg13

A slight debate im in with some Oiler fans after the Stauffer proposition of Andersson for Kulak, 2nd (St Louis for Broberg), Oilers 1st rounder

I think if it's a 2027 1st with the chance of Draisaitl and McDavid walking I would take it with the likelihood its a top 3 pick if McDrai walk. Or do you not help them out in any situation to win a cup in 2025?

I am listening to the 32 thoughts emergency pod about these offer sheets and Friedman mentions that a lot of people are expecting Draisaitl to extend and if he does I think McDavid does as well. Hope all those people are wrong

[Vinny01]

Friedman mentioned the Flames have told their guys things will remain quiet for the rest of the summer so there won’t be any big trades coming in Calgary until it is in season.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am listening to the 32 thoughts emergency pod about these offer sheets and Friedman mentions that a lot of people are expecting Draisaitl to extend and if he does I think McDavid does as well. Hope all those people are wrong

They couldn't win on their discount contracts. I don't think their chances will improve when Drai and McDavid are making 28+ million

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Friedman mentioned the Flames have told their guys things will remain quiet for the rest of the summer so there won’t be any big trades coming in Calgary until it is in season.

I wouldn’t say big trades are on the horizon. Flames enjoy cap flexibility and our broker fee is expensive. We aren’t the AZ Coyotes and we won’t operate that way.

Will there be trades - yes. Will it involve Calgary - Possible. Plenty of teams need cap flex right now but don’t want to pay the price Calgary wants to eat money.

[SuperMatt18]

After the Friedman report Frank was on 960 saying both Draisaitl and McDavid will take less than full market to stay in Edmonton.

Hockey media carrying water for the Oilers again.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Sec214

I wouldn’t say big trades are on the horizon. Flames enjoy cap flexibility and our broker fee is expensive. We aren’t the AZ Coyotes and we won’t operate that way.

Will there be trades - yes. Will it involve Calgary - Possible. Plenty of teams need cap flex right now but don’t want to pay the price Calgary wants to eat money.

So, the same front office that claimed there were set prices to pay for retention that are established is now asking for a higher than normal brokering fee? Seems like we are trying to eat and have cake.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

So, the same front office that claimed there were set prices to pay for retention that are established is now asking for a higher than normal brokering fee? Seems like we are trying to eat and have cake.

No the case, that price is different when you need to eat for a full season(s). Prices always go up in the summer - Just like UFA's.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

After the Friedman report Frank was on 960 saying both Draisaitl and McDavid will take less than full market to stay in Edmonton.

Hockey media carrying water for the Oilers again.

Anything less than max salary is "less than full market" for McDavid. Market for Draisaitl is $14M based on Matthews' deal. So still not great.

But who is telling Seravalli this - the agents or the team?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Anything less than max salary is "less than full market" for McDavid. Market for Draisaitl is $14M based on Matthews' deal. So still not great.

But who is telling Seravalli this - the agents or the team?

It's the team trying to get national media talking about it.

There is no benefit at all from an agent going to Seravalli and saying "we are going to take less than market to stay".

But the team would love to get that narrative out there to put pressure on the players to fall into the "Take less to build a winner" narrative the fan base and local media is going to be pushing.

The narrative inside the organization and from local media leading up to July 1 was "Draisaitl is going to take less and extend on July 1 to stay in Edmonton".

And not that it still can't happen but now we are about 6 weeks after July 1, 5 weeks until training camp opens, and two months to the start of the season with no new news.

So of course it's the organization trying to push that narrative about taking less.

[NegativeSpace]

Honestly, if I was standing where the players were and my team did that public stuff, then I’d tell them that I’m going to market. The team can ask and say what it wants behind closed doors but don’t make negotiations public.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

Honestly, if I was standing where the players were and my team did that public stuff, then I’d tell them that I’m going to market. The team can ask and say what it wants behind closed doors but don’t make negotiations public.

I think that's what you personally hope McDavid and Draisaitl do. If they really do want to stay in Edmonton, who cares if it goes public.

These are two of the biggest stars in the game and they will be paid. Not like they lose bargaining power by this going public.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

After the Friedman report Frank was on 960 saying both Draisaitl and McDavid will take less than full market to stay in Edmonton.

Hockey media carrying water for the Oilers again.

Connor Bedard is up in 2 years. I just can't see the PA being happy with the leagues biggest "star" taking any discount to stay in Edmonton. Every team will start to nudge their stars to take a discount, because Connor did it.

They want their stars to get paid and paid a lot.

Discounts just don't happen, its rare and usually when a player is like 35 plus not in their prime earning years.

Toews and Kane didn't take discounts. MacKinnon didn't take a discount. Tavares got 11 million to play for his childhood team. Kopitar didn't take a discount. Doughty didn't take a discount. Mark Stone went to his destination team and signed a massive contract right away as a winger.

They are nuts.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Anything less than max salary is "less than full market" for McDavid. Market for Draisaitl is $14M based on Matthews' deal. So still not great.

But who is telling Seravalli this - the agents or the team?

Seravelli also said that the way the Draisaitl deal would work is Mike Luit would slide a number across the table and the Oilers would say yes. The question is, why is Leon’s agent not sliding a number across the table? It is now almost 50 days since that transaction could have taken place.

[metroneck]

I think the ‘discount’ would be in the $500k range. To a player, that’s $4mil in total dollars, which is a good concession.

To the team, it’s not insignificant, but still puts them in cap hell.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Seravelli also said that the way the Draisaitl deal would work is Mike Luit would slide a number across the table and the Oilers would say yes. The question is, why is Leon’s agent not sliding a number across the table? It is now almost 50 days since that transaction could have taken place.

It's pretty clear that either he actually did way back when he talked about the deal needing to be done by the end of this month or that's not the process he wants - he wants the Oilers to make the first offer. Which IMO is normal.

[Sofa GM]

The other consideration here is, how much effort do you see Pissy putting in night after night at a $13.5-14MM guarantee for 8 years?

Does he play even less defense than previously and completely check out on his side of center?

Does he get even more entitled and pissy and start to cause problems in the room and split the team?

Draisaitl isn't exactly a leader who everyone will rally around or a "team first" kind of guy. He presents as a candidate who signs the forever cash deal and mails it in.

[Freeway]

The Flames have a robust data department and a GM that's willing to hold firm on prices.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Connor Bedard is up in 2 years. I just can't see the PA being happy with the leagues biggest "star" taking any discount to stay in Edmonton. Every team will start to nudge their stars to take a discount, because Connor did it.

They want their stars to get paid and paid a lot.

Discounts just don't happen, its rare and usually when a player is like 35 plus not in their prime earning years.

Toews and Kane didn't take discounts. MacKinnon didn't take a discount. Tavares got 11 million to play for his childhood team. Kopitar didn't take a discount. Doughty didn't take a discount. Mark Stone went to his destination team and signed a massive contract right away as a winger.

They are nuts.

You can say they didn't take discounts, but if they had gone to market, they would have gotten more for the most part. Tavares was actually offered more by SJ.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You can say they didn't take discounts, but if they had gone to market, they would have gotten more for the most part. Tavares was actually offered more by SJ.

Sure, but they keep pointing to them taking large discounts to stay and keep the team together.

Most of those guys taking those deals led to trading away or losing key players. Chicago was giving players away.