Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I've voted for them in the past and was one of their most vocal supporters here in past elections as well. But since Greg Clark left they're just the island of misfit conservatives, and won't be going anywhere until they get a strong leader again (and I hate to say that, as we're family friends of the Mori####a's).

His sister is the best boss I've ever had.

[Kickazzflames]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Are you ok with that?

Likely not, but if Smith really pushes the Separation agenda, it's not something I would vote for.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

It's interesting to go question by question results to see where you compare with the parties. Disagreements with NDP for me were typically it's on the most ambiguous questions where I could have answered several different ways...it definitely seems NDP went neutral on those ####ty questions that could easily be twisted the wrong way, which is smart.

There are a few questions that kinda seem unimportant in terms of personal impact, yet I think the answers are absolutely vital and disqualifying for the blue bozos:



Like...really, this just makes me so sad.

Schools should always inform parents if their child uses different gender pronouns in the classroom than they do at home.

1) How does the school know which pronouns are being used at home?

2) What grade are we talking about? Elementary? High school?

As a parent, I'd like to know. Not necessarily to dismiss it, which seems to always be the argument. I'd like to know also so I could support my child possibly going through transition. In the end, they are still a minor.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Kickazzflames

You know I was writing up a response to this and ended up writing lists of what I disliked about both Notley and Smith and realized.. I don't really like any politicians.

There is a big surplus of Oil and Gas royalties and I am nervous on how either of them plans to spend/use it. I am going to leave it at that haha.

I wouldn't worry to much about the surplus, the way the UCP has been spending this year's must be gone, and beyond that it's really tough to predict if it comes back.

But if either party is going to blow it on things, I'd rather have it blown on things that improve society like schools and hospitals than handouts to industry. Smith's current priorities have been a bit puzzling, and I'm not really interested in paying to see my family doctor, or having tax dollars go to woo woo "medicine" practitioners.

I do appreciate you trying to come up with an answer though! It's rare I get a reply to that type of query around here.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

1) How does the school know which pronouns are being used at home?

2) What grade are we talking about? Elementary? High school?

As a parent, I'd like to know. Not necessarily to dismiss it, which seems to always be the argument. I'd like to know also so I could support my child possibly going through transition.

If your child trusts you and wants support, they'll come to you. The problem is those parents that do not support it, and disclosing info such as these can lead to dangerous situations. "Outing" should never ever happen unless the person being outed has desired it. If they want the school to tell their parents, it's up to them, not a politician. Which should be pretty obvious to lovers of freedom and liberty everywhere, but here we are.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

1) How does the school know which pronouns are being used at home?

2) What grade are we talking about? Elementary? High school?

As a parent, I'd like to know. Not necessarily to dismiss it, which seems to always be the argument. I'd like to know also so I could support my child possibly going through transition. In the end, they are still a minor.

Then you should ask your child.

[Knut]

My dot was closest to the Liberal Party, but they are not a viable alternative. I will be voting NDP for the first time in my life this year. There are quite a few of us saying these things. I hope it translates at the ballot box.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If your child trusts you and wants support, they'll come to you. The problem is those parents that do not support it, and disclosing info such as these can lead to dangerous situations. "Outing" should never ever happen unless the person being outed has desired it. If they want the school to tell their parents, it's up to them, not a politician. Which should be pretty obvious to lovers of freedom and liberty everywhere, but here we are.

That's true. I'm not one of those non-supportive parents so I didn't think of it that way. I wasn't thinking about possible victims and violence. If my daughter, aged 6, started consistently wanted to be called 'him', probably out of curiosity, something she heard, I'd like to have that discussion.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Kickazzflames

I found it interesting I ended up exactly between UCP and NDP on the chart but the %'s tell me I am leaning more to UCP. I tend to lean to the right fiscally, socially I am without a party.

Honestly, Smith and Notley both scare me in different ways. So I'll likely not vote unless I hear some solid plans over the next couple of weeks.

I go back to this question: if as premier they were faced with a decision and ideologically they planned to go one way but data gathered suggested that was wrong would they change their mind.

Notley has demonstrated this. Kenny during Covid demonstrated this and got kicked out as leader because of it. Smith has not.

So to me if you are unsure on policy I think voting for better governance is a reasonable place to start.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

1) How does the school know which pronouns are being used at home?

2) What grade are we talking about? Elementary? High school?

As a parent, I'd like to know. Not necessarily to dismiss it, which seems to always be the argument. I'd like to know also so I could support my child possibly going through transition. In the end, they are still a minor.

There's a lot to unpack, and ultimately any legislation isn't likely to make a huge difference on the ground aside from putting teachers/school officials in an uncomfortable position that is very likely contrary to the student's best interest. As you say, there is a lot of nuance to consider, which sure as hell is not happening in UCP legislation on these issues.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

1) How does the school know which pronouns are being used at home?

2) What grade are we talking about? Elementary? High school?

As a parent, I'd like to know. Not necessarily to dismiss it, which seems to always be the argument. I'd like to know also so I could support my child possibly going through transition. In the end, they are still a minor.

I suspect if your child is not willing to tell you as their parent but is willing to tell their teacher they do not think their parents will be supportive. Using “you” in the sense of any parent-child relationship and not you individually.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I suspect if your child is not willing to tell you as their parent but is willing to tell their teacher they do not think their parents will be supportive. Using “you” in the sense of any parent-child relationship and not you individually.

This part of this question never comes across.

The kid is using different pronouns at school, because they are scared of their parents reaction.

So the question at first glance sounds like it should be obvious “of course the parents should know!”, but in the cases where this is an issue, it’s usually the parents that are dangerous, or at least perceived as dangerous by the kids.

[timun]

I'm surprised I'm not on the "progressive" side of the "Social" scale, but I think I can chalk that up to a few responses, for example:

• "No law-abiding Albertan should be prohibited from owning a gun" (I agree; NDP/ALP/AP disagree),
• "People who use illegal drugs should have access to supervised consumption sites" (I'm neutral on the issue; NDP/ALP/AP strongly agree),
• "Routine vaccinations should be mandatory for all children in Alberta" (I strongly agree; AP somewhat agree, ALP somewhat disagree, NDP strongly disagree).

[timun]

Remember when Danielle Smith gave the CBC an April 28 ultimatum that if they didn't retract their story about Smith talking to justice officials about Coutts blockaders, she'd sue? I 'member...

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by timun

Remember when Danielle Smith gave the CBC an April 28 ultimatum that if they didn't retract their story about Smith talking to justice officials about Coutts blockaders, she'd sue? I 'member...

"I have an election to worry about now, I don't have time to drag up things form the ancient past."

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by timun

Remember when Danielle Smith gave the CBC an April 28 ultimatum that if they didn't retract their story about Smith talking to justice officials about Coutts blockaders, she'd sue? I 'member...

Pepperidge Farms remembers.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by timun

I'm surprised I'm not on the "progressive" side of the "Social" scale, but I think I can chalk that up to a few responses, for example:

• "No law-abiding Albertan should be prohibited from owning a gun" (I agree; NDP/ALP/AP disagree),
• "People who use illegal drugs should have access to supervised consumption sites" (I'm neutral on the issue; NDP/ALP/AP strongly agree),
• "Routine vaccinations should be mandatory for all children in Alberta" (I strongly agree; AP somewhat agree, ALP somewhat disagree, NDP strongly disagree).

I had to say no. mostly because "law abiding", and depending how you define that. To me question means our gun laws should change to allow easier access, like in the USA.

I think there is a whole hell lot of law abiding people that shouldn't be allowed near a gun.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I had to say no. mostly because "law abiding", and depending how you define that. To me question means our gun laws should change to allow easier access, like in the USA.

I think there is a whole hell lot of law abiding people that shouldn't be allowed near a gun.

I didn't even read it like that.

If someone with severe mental health issues hasn't broken any laws but wants a gun... just because? Uh... man, maybe not, right?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I didn't even read it like that.

If someone with severe mental health issues hasn't broken any laws but wants a gun... just because? Uh... man, maybe not, right?

Are you suggesting you don't think our premier should have access to firearms?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Are you suggesting you don't think our premier should have access to firearms?

I'm not saying that at all.

I'm sure she's broken some laws.