Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Politicians acting as though they can solve chronic problems that are likely beyond their ability to do much about? What’s this country coming to?

PP’s plan to address housing affordability doesn’t matter all that much. The Liberals under Trudeau have been in power for 8 years. At this point, they own public policy at a federal level and they’re going to take the hit for the discontent Canadian voters feel.

Yeah, I guess I would just like to know if handing the keys over to the dudes who get chummy with fascists and white-supremacists is going to be worth it from a policy perspective.

[CaptainCrunch]

The RCMP commissioner was called in to the Ethics Commission to testify about the PMO blocking the RCMP from collecting documents during the SNC Lavelin affair. Of course the NDP and Liberals voted to adjourn the committee before the commissioner could testify.

[MoneyGuy]

Libs and NDP shutting down the commission meeting is the trashy sort of thing I’d expect of Trudeau. Finally, something Theo and I agree on.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The RCMP commissioner was called in to the Ethics Commission to testify about the PMO blocking the RCMP from collecting documents during the SNC Lavelin affair. Of course the NDP and Liberals voted to adjourn the committee before the commissioner could testify.

And the Bloc...they are implicit as well.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Firebot

The question was: Does the CPC / PP have a plan

I provided the plan based on what is on their website.

Doesn't mean I agree with everything in it, nor do I think it will improve things.

You fell for the old "this is a genuine question". Oldest trick in the book.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You fell for the old "this is a genuine question". Oldest trick in the book.

I don’t think you’ve followed the last page or so of this thread very well.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I don’t think you’ve followed the last page or so of this thread very well.

Rube asked what PP would do about housing and opioids and dropped that line it there; obviously it wasn't an authentic question.
I was commenting on that.

I now see you were also quoted in Firebot's reply which wasn't the part I was commenting on. Wasn't following your discussion; will edit to delete that part.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

I took it as a genuine question. And I wasn’t surprised that the CPC party platform lacks detail on this question. That’s not because they’re the CPC, it’s just how politics works nowadays. I’d expect the NDP and Liberal policy statements to be similarly vague.

In reality it makes no sense for Poilievre to get into any more detail than that anyway. Right now he’s ahead in the polls despite the fact (or maybe because of it) that Canadians don’t know him all that well. His most effective campaign platform right now is not being Justin Trudeau, and that’s not a criticism of him, it’s just the reality of our political moment. And I can’t blame PP for being relatively quiet or vague on all of these things, because making this election out to be a choice between two party platforms rather than a referendum on Justin Trudeau has no upside and significant downside.

Kim Campbell was once criticized for saying (along these lines anyway) that an election is no time for a detailed discussion of policy. That may not have been the right thing to say at the time, but I’m often struck by the fact that her statement was 100% true, much as we’d all prefer if it weren’t.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The RCMP commissioner was called in to the Ethics Commission to testify about the PMO blocking the RCMP from collecting documents during the SNC Lavelin affair. Of course the NDP and Liberals voted to adjourn the committee before the commissioner could testify.

I don't get the NDP's strategy here, maybe there is no strategy? They have a supply and confidence agreement, yet another Liberal scandal isn't going to trigger an election if they don't want one.

The NDP's long term goal should be to replace the Liberals not shield them. It's not like the idea is ludicrous, it happened in Alberta and almost happened federally until Layton died and Trudeau came along.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I don't get the NDP's strategy here, maybe there is no strategy? They have a supply and confidence agreement, yet another Liberal scandal isn't going to trigger an election if they don't want one.

The NDP's long term goal should be to replace the Liberals not shield them. It's not like the idea is ludicrous, it happened in Alberta and almost happened federally until Layton died and Trudeau came along.

It seems like they should hold all the power right now. No possible way the Liberals would threaten an election, nor should they call the NDP’s bluff if they threaten one. Either scenario is mutual assured destruction but the Liberals have more to lose.

[transplant99]

I dont think the NDP can afford an election right now as their campaign chest was drained bone dry last time.

Otherwise I would suggest they might be OK with going to the polls as its a real possibility they could form official opposition with some strategic targeting of certain ridings. Thats how disenchanted those who voted Liberal last time have become.

[Firebot]

Meh, if the NDP wants to be the middling distant 3rd choice, I'm all for it. NDP members had their chance at the convention to salvage their working class voters and they chose the status quo instead, deciding to give away a good part of their base to go CPC in order to continue preaching champagne socialism while pretending they have a say in the current government, choosing to be in the Liberal shadow rather than lead. They have shown no appetite for actual governing.

18% of the vote and 20 seats it is.

[Robbob]

NDP strength is that they do hold a bit of that balance of power. Through this, they have at least forced the liberals to bring some of their policies forward. Only in a minority government with the liberals would they have been able to accomplish that.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

I took it as a genuine question. And I wasn’t surprised that the CPC party platform lacks detail on this question. That’s not because they’re the CPC, it’s just how politics works nowadays. I’d expect the NDP and Liberal policy statements to be similarly vague.

In reality it makes no sense for Poilievre to get into any more detail than that anyway. Right now he’s ahead in the polls despite the fact (or maybe because of it) that Canadians don’t know him all that well. His most effective campaign platform right now is not being Justin Trudeau, and that’s not a criticism of him, it’s just the reality of our political moment. And I can’t blame PP for being relatively quiet or vague on all of these things, because making this election out to be a choice between two party platforms rather than a referendum on Justin Trudeau has no upside and significant downside.

Kim Campbell was once criticized for saying (along these lines anyway) that an election is no time for a detailed discussion of policy. That may not have been the right thing to say at the time, but I’m often struck by the fact that her statement was 100% true, much as we’d all prefer if it weren’t.

100% correct.

Trudeau and the Liberals are effectively campaigning for PP right now. He literally has to do nothing other than eat an apple and smugly talk but to a stupid reporter for a good soundbite. Week after week Trudeau and the Libs collapse further and further and we all know it sure ain't because the Conservatives have a great leader throwing around some fantastic policies.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Azure

100% correct.

Trudeau and the Liberals are effectively campaigning for PP right now. He literally has to do nothing other than eat an apple and smugly talk but to a stupid reporter for a good soundbite. Week after week Trudeau and the Libs collapse further and further and we all know it sure ain't because the Conservatives have a great leader throwing around some fantastic policies.

Ok ostrich head in the sand. You think the Cons are going to get a majority gov't from Ontario when the Libs start unleashing attack ads linking PP to Boobbus? It will be game over.

Besides we saw these poll numbers before and it meant jack squat when the election hit. Like Turdeau might be one of the worst PMs ever and he is going to win 3 in a row.. W T actual F!

... and eating a smug apple appealed to all those deplorable Republicans in the South. Too bad there aren't many of them in Ontario for it to matter.

[Azure]

lol.

Post of the year right there buddy.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Azure

lol.

Post of the year right there buddy.

So what happened last time when Turdeau was neck deep in scandals and the Cons had a 18-20 point lead in the polls? I don't see former PM Scheer walking around with that title... lol

[Azure]

Hey I'm not placing any hopes in the polls, but you are straight up full of #### if you think we've ever seen polls like this before.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1716807000900923568

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Azure

Hey I'm not placing any hopes in the polls, but you are straight up full of #### if you think we've ever seen polls like this before.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1716807000900923568

Alright. I'll bet you $500 that the Cons won't win a majority gov't in the next Federal election. Straight odds. lol

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Azure

Hey I'm not placing any hopes in the polls, but you are straight up full of #### if you think we've ever seen polls like this before.

Not to this degree, but the 338 projection had the Conservatives with a 91% chance of winning and a median projection of about 175 seats in the spring of 2019.

I seriously doubt the Liberals will come back this time, but I also think writing them off to wandering in the wilderness is probably a bit premature.